covertrussian Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 AVO seems to be the only one making LCA bushings for 5th gen's, but they all seem out of stock (or out of country). Do you guys know if anyone else makes some good bushings (rearward specifically). Caster addition is preferred too. 2018 Update: Search is over, SuperPro released their 2010-2014 Bushings and I got them installed: http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=260597&d=1515638039 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Hardrace makes some OE style bushings with a harder rubber. http://www.hardrace.com/VEHICLE_Search.asp?Page=1&Car_Make=19&Car_Model=57&Car_Type=243&MainType=109 They have a US dealer. http://www.buyhardrace.com/ GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 Couldn't see the prices, but something tells me they wont be all that much cheaper then AVO's probably. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cww516 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Got mine here: http://www.velocityshop.com/product/hardrace-front-lca-bushings-large-impreza-grb-legacy-bl-bp-bm-br_805.html Ended up at $92 shipped for the pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perscitus Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Other companies to look to (although they might not have rearward caster adjustment LCA bushings): Rallitek SuperPro (AU site to find the part #s, then US resellers to order) Energy Suspension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Whiteline... Though they are a different and far inferior design to the AVO. Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted July 26, 2016 Author Share Posted July 26, 2016 Got mine here: http://www.velocityshop.com/product/hardrace-front-lca-bushings-large-impreza-grb-legacy-bl-bp-bm-br_805.html Ended up at $92 shipped for the pair. Yeah, at that point might as well get the caster ones Other companies to look to (although they might not have rearward caster adjustment LCA bushings): Rallitek SuperPro (AU site to find the part #s, then US resellers to order) Energy Suspension Checked Rallitek and ES, no reaward bushing, only the front ones. Love SuperPro (use them on my Nissan), but sadly they don't have anything for BM's besides swaybar bushings. So far it seems Avo is the only one making poly bushings for BM's, I really wonder why, they are not that much different then BL's in design. Whiteline... Though they are a different and far inferior design to the AVO. Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk I believe whiteline discontinued their version, it was pretty crappy design though, so not surprised. I'm not sure why they can't make em like the BL/BP and just call it a day. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Powerflex did, not sure if they still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I was pretty sure that the 5th gen vertical front lower control arm bushing is the same as the 4th gen and wrx parts. They just changed the metal cylinder in the middle by adding a washer to it, which you could do yourself by just inserting a big SS washer. I have an unused one at home, and I can provide measurements if someone can get measurements for a BL chassis part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 I was thinking the same today, so I'm planning on measuring mine when I get a chance. If it's the same, I'm surprised none one lists it as compatible on their list. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I'm guessing that space is taller and AVO remedied that by welding that washer on the metal piece. If I'm right, then the super pro parts or avo parts for 4th gens will fit fine with a washer added in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Manufacturers or vendors don't take the time to see what will fit between the different models I am guessing out of pure laziness or ignorance. Who wouldn't want to add potential customers to their base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 Finally got around to measuring the 2012 Outback and 2005 legacy wagon's LCA bushings. This is basically the housing measurement and not the overall bushing height, which can adjusted via washers if they are different heights. 2012 Outback: 58.78mm Diameter 34.45mm Height 2005 Legacy: 60.17mm Diameter 30.05mm Height I think the 05 bushings might actually work, but they would be a little short in the lower control arm itself. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 If it's bigger how is it going to work? Won't be able to press it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 I wouldn't treat these numbers as absolutes, especially diameters which are hard to get accurate measurements off while the current bushings are in place. I'm thinking of getting this Prothane set since it's cheap and has no metal sleeves, no metal sleeves means that I can squeeze it into tighter spaces. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted September 3, 2016 Author Share Posted September 3, 2016 Ran into an interesting problem while installing the Prothanes today. Lets just say this might be the reason why BP/BL parts don't fit on BM's. 2012 (BM) on left, 2005 LGT (BP) on right http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=236963&stc=1&d=1472882463 As you can see the bushing hole size is much bigger, interestingly enough both cars use the same nuts, it's just 2005's have the rear attachment point in the body and it has a wider body towards the top. Looking at my pics of the Whiteline kit for my 05, the bolt hole is actually enlarged a little, but rest is smaller (good job Whiteline, that's a lot better then what even OEM does). I might get a Whiteline kit if these prothanes don't work out. EDIT: 2010+ require a lot more articulation in the bushing to be able to install the LCA, since Whitelines barely have any voids, it would be really hard to install. http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=260625&stc=1&d=1515682140 http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=260626&stc=1&d=1515682140 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Maybe check with infamous performance to see if he has any AVO kits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted September 3, 2016 Author Share Posted September 3, 2016 If the Prothanes don't work out I will, I got one arm done last night, but popped an axle out so after removing the boot and getting it back in I had to call the quits before I broke anything else. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted September 5, 2016 Author Share Posted September 5, 2016 When I bought this car I figured I would need to replace the front LCA bushings, especially seeing the condition my 05's were in. At 100k These look pretty bad. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/2012_LCA_100k_01.jpg~original http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/2012_LCA_100k_02.jpg~original I went with a sleeveless bushing set incase the 2010+ diameter was slightly different then 2005's. They have a little more forgiveness if sizes are off. Prothane's are meant for BL/BP arms (hole is 30mm tall), thus have an opening of 28mm. BM arms are have 34mm tall openings, I figured I would give them a shot as is before cutting them. 2005 LCA's: http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_006_05LGT.jpg~original 2012 LCA's: http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_006.jpg~original Front bushings should fit too, I usually don't install these because they majorly increased NVH in one of my other cars. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_004.jpg~original http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_005.jpg~original Next issue is the eye hole, even though they both use the same sized and threaded bolt, 05's is much bigger to allow for provisions to remove the body attached studs. Prothane's metal sleeve is the same size as 05's, which is way too large for BM's and could cause the sleeve to shift under load. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/2012_LCA_vs2005_LCA.jpg~original Luckily, I found that the stock bushings sleeve is actually the perfect OD to fit into the bushing. Pressed it out http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_007.jpg~original Then heated it up to separate the rubber from the metal. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_012.jpg~original I couldn't get the old sleeves pressed out for the life of me, so had to use the good old hammer and screw drivers method. Notice how the voids are bigger one one side vs the other. I think this was on purpose, more on this later. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_008.jpg~original Prothane is awesome and added a little lip to allow you to much easier to press it in, still I had a heck of a time trying to get them pressed in. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_009.jpg~original Since the bushing is a bit short, it definitely distorted http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_010.jpg~original http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_011.jpg~original Inserting the sleeve helped the bushing restore some of it's roundess, you can see the stock sleeve sticking out a bit. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_014.jpg~original Stock mounting point has slight lip, which could cause the bushing to slide over it and cause the arm to move up and down. Used a washer to fill the gap, I hate to have to shim things up (increasing anti-lift, where you usually want to decrease it) http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_015.jpg~original What it looks like in place http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_018.jpg~original I had a heck of a time trying to get the arm in place and all the bolts aligned. This was much more painful then on the legacy. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_016.jpg~original This is why the void placement is so important, without them the arm would not be able to move up and down at all. On one side I put the bigger void facing in the car and other side the bigger void were facing the outside. It was still a royal pita getting the strut installed on both sides, though little easier on side where bigger void was facing inside. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/covertrussian/Cars/12%20OBP/Suspension/LCA%20-%20Front/Prothane%2016-303/Prothane_16-303_017.jpg~original 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 After few weeks of driving with these they are creaking, I can't say I'm a fan of mechanical grip bushings. Might get the AVO set after all. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Good call. The avo ones are silent. Even after winter grime. No issues whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 Same for my Whiteline set on the 5th gen LGT. I had the hardest time getting the control arms installed with these bushings, lack of up/down movement required me to put full body weight to get the arm low enough to slip the ball joint on. Did you have the same issue with AVO's? 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon.mol Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I had a shop do it. But the AVO ones pivot rather than flex, so there is no resistance to up/down movement of the control arm at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soba noodle Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Would anyone know if GRB STI alloy LCA will fit BR/BM? The same question for rear lateral arms? They look rather similar. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 I had a shop do it. But the AVO ones pivot rather than flex, so there is no resistance to up/down movement of the control arm at all. Are the BR/BM avo's different from BL/BP's? Pictures looked the same for both, which have no visible pivot points. http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/images/images_big/300_2010_cab.jpg 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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