Turbo Replaced / Poor Performance

I have a 2005 GT Legacy w/Turbo.

I bought it with 59,500 miles. Warrenty period ended and the turbo went out at 64,000 miles. Subaru dealer replaced with OEM Turbo, Banjo Filters, Uptube and gave it back. $2800...

 

The First 1000 miles after I got it back I kept it below 3000 rpms for shifting. Breaking it in.

 

I've been able to get into it a little more now and the power is there now except it does not perform as good as the origional one did before it blew. Before you could fee the turbo pull from 3000 rmp through 5500 rpm (redline).

 

Now it pulls hard from about 2800 rpm through 3800 rpms then still climbs but slowly...

 

Is there an adjustment or something the dealer didn't tell me about. It just doesn't perform the same.... HELP:cool:

something is wrong. Are you certain they put the Vf40 back in there?

Yeah, you need to know whether it was a VF40, VF48, VF52, etc....

 

For $2,800 you should have an itemized parts listing, as well as a can of Vaseline.

 

Did they at least look at the oil, and at the very least change it?? If you got turbo bearing material circulated around the engine, depending on how bad, you could have some scored main/rod bearings, cam saddles, etc...

 

So they replaced the Up-Pipe?? Why?

 

It probably has to be re-mapped.

oil pan was dropped and no metal was found. Uppipe has a catalytic converter of sorts inside. This failed and caused the turbo to seize is what Subaru said.

 

Turbo Part listed as 14411AA511 CHGR AY-Turbo VF-40

 

Explaination: "uppipe came apart, causing EGT Sensor failure and the turbo to seize" (off the invoice)

 

What does re-mapped mean?

Lol at beaking in the turbo. That's not necessary.

 

 

Even if they threw in a catless uppipe. You shouldn't need a remapped ( flashing the ecu)

 

I'm thinking install error. Mybe the ebcs was left unhooked ? Or boost leak somewhere?

thank you all who replied... I will be dropping it back at the subaru dealer tomorrow.... They had it for two weeks last time... Frustrating when you buy a new car and it craps out on you... I love the car and its my second Legacy... Problem year? If anyone else has suggestions please respond

thank you all who replied... I will be dropping it back at the subaru dealer tomorrow.... They had it for two weeks last time... Frustrating when you buy a new car and it craps out on you... I love the car and its my second Legacy... Problem year? If anyone else has suggestions please respond

 

Problem year set and model type. The up-pipe disintegration->turbo explosion is known issue. 07+ don't have the cat in the up-pipe.

 

Also, check your oil and change oil regularly (3750).

Yeah, make the dealership own up to it and check it over.

 

$2800.... even my hiney hurts just thinking about it.

 

Did they put a catted UP back in the car???????? If they did guess what, you could have the same exact failure happen later. Hopefully they are smart enough to put the 07+ LGT un-catted UP back in, which means then they either need to hard-wire the EGT sensor or alter the map to remove the CEL which would have been thrown without it. Which means, if they went in to alter the map maybe they screwed something else up. Hopefully, it is just something simple and they'll fix it in a jiff. And, I really hope they did NOT put a catted UP back in your car. They should know better!

 

Yes, the 05-06 had the catted UP and if pieces of the cat fail/break, they get blown and sucked right into the turbo.

They gave me a 12 month unlimited warrenty on parts and labor associated with the work they did. If they put a cat up pipe back in I will replace it with one without the cat after the warrenty period

Yeah, make the dealership own up to it and check it over.

 

$2800.... even my hiney hurts just thinking about it.

 

Did they put a catted UP back in the car???????? If they did guess what, you could have the same exact failure happen later. Hopefully they are smart enough to put the 07+ LGT un-catted UP back in, which means then they either need to hard-wire the EGT sensor or alter the map to remove the CEL which would have been thrown without it. Which means, if they went in to alter the map maybe they screwed something else up. Hopefully, it is just something simple and they'll fix it in a jiff. And, I really hope they did NOT put a catted UP back in your car. They should know better!

 

Yes, the 05-06 had the catted UP and if pieces of the cat fail/break, they get blown and sucked right into the turbo.

 

It should be covered by the limited warranty on the repair, but subaru america did not issue a recall on up pipes. So the dealer is well within their rights not to replace a part, know or not to fail on occasion.

Yeah, you need to know whether it was a VF40, VF48, VF52, etc....

 

For $2,800 you should have an itemized parts listing, as well as a can of Vaseline.

 

Did they at least look at the oil, and at the very least change it?? If you got turbo bearing material circulated around the engine, depending on how bad, you could have some scored main/rod bearings, cam saddles, etc...

 

So they replaced the Up-Pipe?? Why?

 

It probably has to be re-mapped.

 

who do I have to jerk off for a dealership to accidentally put a VF48 into my car?

Yeah, make the dealership own up to it and check it over.

 

$2800.... even my hiney hurts just thinking about it.

 

Did they put a catted UP back in the car???????? If they did guess what, you could have the same exact failure happen later. Hopefully they are smart enough to put the 07+ LGT un-catted UP back in, which means then they either need to hard-wire the EGT sensor or alter the map to remove the CEL which would have been thrown without it. Which means, if they went in to alter the map maybe they screwed something else up. Hopefully, it is just something simple and they'll fix it in a jiff. And, I really hope they did NOT put a catted UP back in your car. They should know better!

 

Yes, the 05-06 had the catted UP and if pieces of the cat fail/break, they get blown and sucked right into the turbo.

 

No dealer would put a catless UP in and risk their franchise. Yes we know a catted UP is a bad idea but the dealer would be violating federal law to put a catless UP in.

 

I would think this has to do with the EBCS or other vac leak or mis-installed part. Give em a chance to fix it and then see what's up.

 

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Dealerships replace parts with superseded and newer model parts all the time.

 

What federal law ?

 

Not like i care, but im interested

 

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Dealerships replace parts with superseded and newer model parts all the time.

 

What federal law ?

 

Not like i care, but im interested

 

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Well you see, if they replaced the Catted UP with a catless UP, they would also have to install at a minimum the air-pumps that are found on the catless UP cars. Then they would need to replace the wiring harness to do this. Then they would need to reprogram the ECU. It isn't as simple as swapping out the UP for a different UP.

 

If you don't do that then it wouldn't comply with Federal Emissions Standards as tested with the EPA at the time of certification.

 

Same reason why shops can't install catless exhausts for street use.

 

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I love Florida emission laws:lol:

I love Florida emission laws:lol:

 

Actually, just because they don't check for it, doesn't make it legal to remove your cats in FL...

 

316.2935 Air pollution control equipment; tampering prohibited; penalty.—

 

(1)(a) It is unlawful for any person or motor vehicle dealer as defined in s. 320.27 to offer or display for retail sale or lease, sell, lease, or transfer title to, a motor vehicle in Florida that has been tampered with in violation of this section, as determined pursuant to subsection (7). Tampering is defined as the dismantling, removal, or rendering ineffective of any air pollution control device or system which has been installed on a motor vehicle by the vehicle manufacturer except to replace such device or system with a device or system equivalent in design and function to the part that was originally installed on the motor vehicle. All motor vehicles sold, reassigned, or traded to a licensed motor vehicle dealer are exempt from this paragraph.

 

(b) At the time of sale, lease, or transfer of title of a motor vehicle, the seller, lessor, or transferor shall certify in writing to the purchaser, lessee, or transferee that the air pollution control equipment of the motor vehicle has not been tampered with by the seller, lessor, or transferor or their agents, employees, or other representatives. A licensed motor vehicle dealer shall also visually observe those air pollution control devices listed by department rule pursuant to subsection (7), and certify that they are in place, and appear properly connected and undamaged. Such certification shall not be deemed or construed as a warranty that the pollution control devices of the subject vehicle are in functional condition, nor does the execution or delivery of this certification create by itself grounds for a cause of action between the parties to this transaction.

 

© All motor vehicles sold, reassigned, or traded by a licensed motor vehicle dealer to a licensed motor vehicle dealer, all new motor vehicles subject to certification under s. 207, Clean Air Act, 42 U.S.C. s. 7541, and all lease agreements for 30 days or less are exempt from this subsection. Also exempt from this subsection are sales of motor vehicles for salvage purposes only.

 

(2) No person shall operate any gasoline-powered motor vehicle, except a motorcycle, moped, scooter, or an imported nonconforming motor vehicle which has received a one-time exemption from federal emission control requirements under 40 C.F.R. 85, subpart P, on the public roads and streets of this state which emits visible emissions from the exhaust pipe for more than a continuous period of 5 seconds, and no person shall operate on the public roads or streets of this state any motor vehicle that has been tampered with in violation of this section, as determined pursuant to subsection (7).

 

(3) No person shall operate on the public roads or streets of this state any diesel-powered motor vehicle which emits visible emissions from the exhaust pipe for more than a continuous period of 5 seconds, except during engine acceleration, engine lugging, or engine deceleration.

 

(4) This section shall be enforced by the Department of Environmental Protection and any law enforcement officer of this state as defined in s. 112.531.

 

(5) Any person who knowingly and willfully violates subsection (1) shall be punished as follows:

 

(a) For a first violation, violators shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, except that a motor vehicle dealer shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

 

(b) For a second or subsequent offense, violators, including motor vehicle dealers, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. In addition, the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles may temporarily or permanently revoke or suspend the motor vehicle dealer license authorized pursuant to the provisions of s. 320.27.

 

(6) Except as provided in subsection (5), any person who violates subsection (1), subsection (2), or subsection (3) shall be charged with a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318. However, the penalty may be reduced if the person committing the violation corrects the violation pursuant to the provisions of s. 316.6105.

 

(7) The Department of Environmental Protection shall adopt rules that define the specific wording of the required certification and the circumstances under which the certificate is not required. In addition, the department shall adopt rules as necessary to conform to requirements of federal law, to establish procedures to determine compliance with this section, including specifying what tampering activities constitute a violation of this section, and to provide for exceptions and waivers. For those rules applicable pursuant to subsection (1) to licensed motor vehicle dealers for certification by visual observation, the air pollution control devices or systems that shall be included in such certification for motor vehicles dated model year 1981 or later are the catalytic converter, fuel inlet restrictor, unvented fuel cap, exhaust gas recirculation system (EGR), air pump and/or air injector system (AIS), and fuel evaporative emissions system (EVP). The department may by rule remove or add devices or systems to this test if justified by developments in air pollution control technology or changes in federal law.

 

History.—s. 18, ch. 88-129; s. 5, ch. 89-212; ss. 6, 9, ch. 90-290; s. 5, ch. 93-19; s. 137, ch. 94-356; s. 32, ch. 96-350; s. 206, ch. 99-248; s. 33, ch. 2000-266.

* I love how Florida doesn't do yearly emission checks.

Dealerships replace parts with superseded and newer model parts all the time.

 

What federal law ?

 

Not like i care, but im interested

 

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No I mean that I would love for a dealership to put a VF48 in my car and do all the necessary changes to give me an STI swap on their dime.

I meant VF46 in my post, because the VF40 is basically obsolete. So what if a dealership couldn't get a VF40 for whatever reason, then what do they do? Slap a VF46 on there and potentially re-flash the ECU.

 

Because the same thing would go for any extended warranty, if you can't get the original OEM 100% 2005/2006 parts, you've got to upgrade somewhere.

 

Whatever, I don't care. Sorry to the OP but you got the same exact part put back in your car that failed and cost you a ton of money. So, be careful.

I meant VF46 in my post, because the VF40 is basically obsolete. So what if a dealership couldn't get a VF40 for whatever reason, then what do they do? Slap a VF46 on there and potentially re-flash the ECU.

 

Because the same thing would go for any extended warranty, if you can't get the original OEM 100% 2005/2006 parts, you've got to upgrade somewhere.

 

Whatever, I don't care. Sorry to the OP but you got the same exact part put back in your car that failed and cost you a ton of money. So, be careful.

 

Manufacturers typically will continue to supply parts until at least 10 years after the vehicle has stopped being manufactured. So a dealer not being able to get a VF40 is pretty much a non-issue, at least until 2016ish.

 

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