IcEWoLF Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I’ll post other links later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IcEWoLF Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 It’s a nice car, but few things are missed: Rear cam doesn’t occupy whole screen. Incandescent lights are still present both in the front and back, it’s 2020 and I can’t believe Subaru just doesn’t go full led. The rear end looks bland if you ask him, they went Toyota style, I prefer the 6th gen rear end over the 7th gen. The engine is disappointing, the car feels slow. They didn’t bother optimize the engine for the smaller car, this engine could easily push 280-300hp. But I guess it be too much of a competition vs the wrx. Subaru needs to incorporate the lane change camera in their cluster gage, more and more companies are adopting this, their cluster gage needs to be updated. Some of the positives: The interior looks fantastic, high quality leather on touring. Huge entertainment system with separate processors for controls. Very quiet cabin, acoustic windshield and windows to reduce noise. Lane centering is fantastic, wish I had such feature on my 2018 legacy. If I were in the market I’d probably give it another 2 years before I considered buying it, I’d probably wait for nicer refresher. Subaru is trying hard interior, but really falls flat in the exterior car. They definitely spent more time designing the outback and the forester and of course the ascent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcEWoLF Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Btw the wheels are just awful looking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I’ll post other links later. The video mentions only 5 people bought the MT in the final year. The author of the video salutes the 5 Turbo owner who bought MT. The last year of the Legacy is 2012 and there were 227 in the US and I think he made an assumption that it was the years of the LGT. I would guess the 5 people is the last year of the Canadian 6th Gen Legacy 2.5i 6MT (2017). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcEWoLF Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Part of me wants to like the new gen, but my other part says Subaru could have done much better with the redesign. I guess they are keeping subtle to try not to steal sales from Toyota/Lexus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 The wheels are awful and the whole color scheme they reviewed isn't appealing. Really all these Onyx/Black/Orange editions they release are tacky and very Nissan of them I think in white it would look better, the 0-60 on the N/A at 11 secs is meh. The XT Model is nice however if I have $37K car budget, I'm never buying a new Subaru. Subaru doesn't make a car worth that much coin given the other shortcomings. I also wonder if SOA blames themselves for the 12 LGT failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Looks like they're leaving a lot of room for a GT version in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I also wonder if SOA blames themselves for the 12 LGT failure? Not likely. Even though they did everything possible to avoid selling it, they blame it on lack of buyers. They're way too conservative with everything. They dropped the auto in 2010 because they were worried that the re-positioned turbo might be too torquey for the 5EAT to handle, promptly eliminating well over half of the GT buyers. Then dealers refused to have them on the lots, greatly hindering access. It people have to special-order something, they're much less likely to buy one. After dropping the 2.5 GT they refused to take advantage of the 3.6 properly. When it first came out, at least a couple reviewers were saying it should be capable of at least 300hp. But did they ever go over 250? Did they ever market a sporty version of the 3.6 that might replace the 2.5 GT? Lost opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Not likely. Even though they did everything possible to avoid selling it, they blame it on lack of buyers. They're way too conservative with everything. They dropped the auto in 2010 because they were worried that the re-positioned turbo might be too torquey for the 5EAT to handle, promptly eliminating well over half of the GT buyers. and other countries got the 2.5GT 5EAT 5th Gen combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I think in white it would look better, the 0-60 on the N/A at 11 secs is meh. That was with 2 people, at elevation and at least in the video they didn't brake torque the launch, which pretty much any magazine test trying to get the best 0-60 time does. Subaru advertises 8.4 sec 0-60mph which is faster than the prior generation 0-60 of 9 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Looks like they're leaving a lot of room for a GT version in the future. :lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvnmaniac Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 It’s a nice car, but few things are missed: Some of the positives: The interior looks fantastic, high quality leather on touring. Huge entertainment system with separate processors for controls. Very quiet cabin, acoustic windshield and windows to reduce noise. Lane centering is fantastic, wish I had such feature on my 2018 legacy. ===================== Ice Wolf how more quiet was the cabin vs your 2018. I'm assuming there was no difference between the 2018 and 2019 Legacy cabins THKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Looks like they're leaving a lot of room for a GT version in the future. Put down the crack pipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Jesus isn't an idiot light on the mirror enough- lane camera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seiyafan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I am debating if I should upgrade my 2011 Legacy to this one or wait for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubieDriver Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Put down the crack pipe A guy can dream, can't he? I'm still hoping for a B11S as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcEWoLF Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 I am debating if I should upgrade my 2011 Legacy to this one or wait for another year. Wait another year or two. Avoid year one of any models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Wait another year or two. Avoid year one of any models. I guess you missed those of us with a 2005 5mt GT wagon. Still love mine over 15 years later. One owner car. Mine was built May 28 2004, 194th one built. They made 22 wagons that day. Edited August 28, 2019 by Max Capacity 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I guess you missed those of us with a 2005 5mt GT wagon. Still love mine over 15 years later. One owner car. Mine was built May 28 2004, 194th one built. They made 22 wagons that day. Yes, my 194,000 mile 2005 LGT 5mt sedan has just been a nightmare. What with my original turbo, a timing belt replacement, a clutch replacement, and 4 wheel bearings (2 under warranty). No, it hasn't been trouble free (misfire on Cyl 4 - injector. Swapped with Cyl 2 to confirm, and wouldn't you know, swapping the injectors and the misfire NEVER returned) and other niggly bits, but overall, mine has been a solid bit of kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saberplane Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Wait another year or two. Avoid year one of any models. My 15 Legacy is the first car where I have found that to not always hold true. It hasn't been plagued by any of the recalls or other more serious issues that popped up in the 16 and above. *knocks on wood* my biggest issues have been the sticking fuel door that was replaced and wind noise that was resolved as well thru TSBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I am debating if I should upgrade my 2011 Legacy to this one or wait for another year. If you wait 5+ years, Subaru might catch up to the rest of the industry and start putting buttons back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seiyafan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I was also considering the Genesis G70, not sure if the improvement is worth the price difference, A4 is definitely out of my budget for the next car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famduke Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I like the new Legacy 2020. I know what it is, and it is between that or the Honda Accord which isn't AWD. Unless one wants to pay 5-10,000 more $ for an Audi or Volvo (closest luxury price) this has everything. I have been looking for a while and there is no perfect car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I guess you missed those of us with a 2005 5mt GT wagon. Still love mine over 15 years later. One owner car. Mine was built May 28 2004, 194th one built. They made 22 wagons that day. My 2005 GT taught me to never buy year 1 of any car... Turbo Dead at 80k milesRadiator Fan Relay bug burned up the ECU TWICE (luckily recall replaced the ecu for free both times)Banjo filters which were fully clogged and killed turbo and shorted AVCS valve's livesAbsurd 7k Dino oil change recommendations, which is probably why turbo went (by year 3 they switched it to to 3.7k on synthetic)Pre-Turbo Cats that get clogged (though it did take Subaru to year 3 to ditch them)All wheel bearings replaced (Not a year one problem, my 2012 is chewing wheel bearing #2 already) I feel like by now Subaru got better about these issues, but FA24DIT is still a brand new motor, with very thin oil requirements (especially for a turbo car). That's not even including the CVT issues that people are seeing with the Ascent. With that said, outside of interior electronics, 2020 Legacy/Outback XT is basically an Ascent, so one could say they are on year two already . 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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