dahoseman Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I've got a pile of parts collected for a build and waiting for a few to show up. One thing I was considering was an air oil separator. 1. Does anyone have any advice on these? 2. I know that they are theoretically beneficial for emissions/octane degradation, but I'm an evidence guy. Would I ever notice the difference between having one and not having one? What benefit would be noticeable to an owner? 3. I was considering the Grimmspeed AOS, which is "set it and forget it" style. I saw this thread recommending against that design http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/smokey-smokey-smokey-lots-182195.html?t=182195&highlight=air+oil+separator Can anyone explain the recommendation against it and what they would recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I have one that sits on the oil fill tube on my wagon. In the cold weather the moisture forms on the inside of it. That's way Crawfords can has a coolant hose going to it to keep it warm. I won't do this again. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnJack Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 The Crawford V2 is the one of the best ones out there. The biggest thing to ask is "What are you going to do with your car?" If you plan to track your car (making high G corners), it has been discussed at length that the Crawford unit works best. If you just plan on normal DD activities, the GS unit is very nice and will work well for less money. If you do decide on a Crawford unit, I purchased mine from Circuit Motorsports. They were the cheapest place on the web that I found. Disclaimer - I have NO affiliation with Circuit, just trying to pass along the savings I found after an exhaustive search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahoseman Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Thanks for the info. I'm going to do a little research on these babies and perhaps install one. I'm curious about the results of having one. Is there any tangible benefit that an owner would notice? Is it one of those things where an engine will run for maybe 250,000 miles instead of 200,000 miles with an air/oil separator installed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 No, No noticeable difference. Put your money somewhere else. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnJack Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 No, No noticeable difference. Put your money somewhere else. This man is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibr_adam09 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I got one only because it was for $60. the gs unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aracheon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm running the dual Moroso setup... one can for the heads, one can for the crankcase. The head can hasn't caught more than a drop, but I haven't taken my car to the track yet, either. The crankcase can I've had to empty several times in just a few thousand miles. Worth it? Depends on how you drive, how much oil vapor makes out of the crankcase breather (YMMV), and how much/little you care about your engine ingesting that stuff. The inside of the TMIC on my 09 STi after 60,000mi was nasty as hell... but I also drove the hell out of that car. Commuting, trackdays, hauling motorcycles, ice racing, etc. There's a 100+ page thread on IWSTI about AOSs/catch cans if you REALLY want to hear the pros and cons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Motion Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I was considering this also, after noticing oil on the turbo to TMIC gasket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ25subie05 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 what I'm not understanding is why is it not worth the money? it helps keep the intercooler and all those good ol' parts clean from oil right? or do i have the setup all messed up? enlighten me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kits gt limited Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I have the Crawford. Recommended by my shop. It can be a slippery slope!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 why is it not worth the money? it helps keep the intercooler and all those good ol' parts clean from oil right? At 60,000km I have barely a noticeable film of oil in my intake. I won't be fitting an AOS until that changes. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ25subie05 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 i have 35k and i notice it, maybe because i run my car hard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aracheon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 what I'm not understanding is why is it not worth the money? it helps keep the intercooler and all those good ol' parts clean from oil right? or do i have the setup all messed up? enlighten me It's one of those things where the products don't always have a quantifiable improvement. It's not like flashing your AP to Cobb Stage 2 from stock and noticing an immediate difference. The products and solutions offered are rather expensive, and not all LGTs have issues with massive amounts of PCV oil consumption. Subaru engineered a catch-all solution in their PCV system that DOES work, but it does have side-effects. Personally, I don't like having oil in the intake tract, so I opted to put Moroso AOSes on my car. At 60,000km I have barely a noticeable film of oil in my intake. I won't be fitting an AOS until that changes. A good reason NOT to bother with an AOS... "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." If I hadn't seen a lot of oil inside my TMIC on both my STi and my LGT, I wouldn't have bothered with an AOS either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Is it a street car? You don't need an AOS. If you think you need an AOS, ask yourself why. If it's because you think you have excessive oil in the intake? An AOS isn't going to fix any issue you have. It's putting a bandaid on a bullet wound if your PCV system is pumping that much oil into the intake. If you want the intake to be squeaky clean and oil free, ask yourself why you want that. I'm willing to bet you can't come up with a sufficiently good reason. At the end of the day, it's your money. You'll spend it how you want, and you'll convince yourself enough to have made that decision. If it were MY money, I'd spend it elsewhere without any hesitation. The ONLY valid reason for an AOS, is on a car that is tracked and is equipped to actually be capable of having PCV problems in high-G, high duration turns. I'd put money that less than 1% of our member base fits that description. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 is there a quantifiable G-load where one should consider an AOS? Basically if I took my stock spec.B to a track with OE level replacement tires would an AOS be something to consider? 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 is there a quantifiable G-load where one should consider an AOS? Basically if I took my stock spec.B to a track with OE level replacement tires would an AOS be something to consider? It's unlikely, because setups can be so drastically different. If you wanted to stick a number on it, I'd say a 1G sustained turn would be a good tipping point. Getting there on all seasons is tough. From there it would be a monitoring game. If you notice excessive oil in the intake after a track session, then consider one if you are certain of the integrity of the engine (no consumption on the street, no smoking, good compression and leak numbers, etc). [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm on Bridgestone S04 Pole Position summer tires, so while I'd pull higher than All Seasons I still don't think 1G would be seen. 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 It's not really high lateral Gs that will get you, it's sustained high lateral Gs. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I think you might, but I wouldn't really worry about it. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Motion Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 what about oil at turbo to tmic? i did take mine to the track... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 When I say "track", I do not mean drag strip. Just to be clear. Lots of oil in the IC, but significantly less evidence in the PCV breathers and pre-turbo would suggest a compromised seal in the turbo. A catch can wouldn't solve a blown turbo seal. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 No, No noticeable difference. Put your money somewhere else. This man is correct. I did mine for the reason of getting some of the oil vapors out of the air/fuel mixture. I won't do it on my Spec B. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ25subie05 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 thank you for the explanation, i thought for sure it would help the car out in a few ways. but it looks like im be spending those couple hundred bucks else where you know how people are they tell you they saw this, this and this kind of improvement. better rotors and pads here i come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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