its_jayce Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Has anyone done the conversion? It would be way easier and cheaper to find rims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2baru Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Credit goes to this awesome Russian guy, Atsamaz Basiev! http://www.drive2.ru/r/subaru/288230376151829691/ Here are some details I switched to STI GRB Hubs front and rear. The rears are bolt on, the front is where all the tweaks are - you also need to switch the housings, then you have to modify them so they fit the shock's mount. I will also need to change the front drive shafts - Legacy's are shorter so the hub bolt doesn't sit properly. i've already ordered them from Japan. Also you need to drill 5x114.3 holes in the brake disks. Good day to all! Finally it happened - with wheels PCD 114.3 installed on the machine with factory PCD 100 . So all in order. To change from PCD 5x100 to 5x114.3 on Legacy BM9 (2009 - present) must do the following: 1) Rear axle : a) replace the hub to hub from Subaru Impeza WRX STI in the back of GRB. Stand bolt-on. Price: 8 th. http://imgur.com/PiAo5JY GRB vs BM9 - rear hubs - front view http://i.imgur.com/7H8aMdx.jpg GRB vs BM9 - rear hub - side view http://i.imgur.com/QoE2EuK.jpg rear hub set http://i.imgur.com/d7dgFfm.jpg Hub nut screwed to the end b) to drill holes in a 5x114.3 brake disks. Price: 2 thousand rubles. http://i.imgur.com/FGBCGsa.jpg rear brake disc 2) Front axle - here hub of STI GRB do not get in a fist - Fixing arranged differently. For correct installation need the following: a) to buy spare parts from STI GRB: I) Kit - Price: 10 thousand rubles. II) fists - price: 10 thousand rubles. iii) anthers - price: 2 thousand rubles. b) modify fists : I) shock absorber mounting holes are located on the fist wider than BM9. peresverlit top Need a wider opening of less than about 1 cm. This car front pops up to 15mm relative runoff. Price: 5 thousand rubles. II) mount shock 5mm thicker than BM9. You need to grind off the excess and rounded edges. It is necessary for the proper distribution of the load on his fist. Price: 5 th. http://i.imgur.com/HE4CicD.jpg the general form of the modified fist GRB http://i.imgur.com/Lyby3kk.jpg that same mount shock to the knuckle http://i.imgur.com/0MKhQU6.jpg knuckle assembly with boot and hub http://i.imgur.com/pZAvSxK.jpg suspension without fist http://i.imgur.com/ZyZ6TQP.jpg shock fist and friends c) to drill holes in a 5x114.3 brake disks. Price: 2 thousand rubles. http://i.imgur.com/XDcEBc2.jpg peresverlennye Endless brakes g) a little pierced bottom mount calipers - they slightly interfere "growths" on his fist. Price: 2 thousand rubles. http://i.imgur.com/CHaKIPb.jpg Rout mount calipers d) understate the front axle due to increased clearance of 15mm front. At Legacy BM9 in stock up to the distance from the wheel arches at the front axle is about 10-15mm longer than the rear axle. This is very bad negative effect on the appearance of the car. A setting of kulaks STI GRB adds to this the 15mm that makes a difference in the 25-30mm. There are 2 options to correct this flaw: I) adjustable suspension - for example I was offered Tein Flex. Price: 75 thousand rubles. II) underestimates the front spring - already familiar to me Tein H.Tech. Price: 10 thousand rubles. As a result, in view of the cost until decided to go the second way - even though it is not very pleasant to me. But there are advantages - lower front about 40mm, which ultimately resulted in a perfectly aligned gaps at the front and rear axles. Plus the distance to the arch is almost identical to the entire length of the arch, to which I also sought. With Tein H.Tech front and rear, this effect is not achieved, because machine sitting 2cm below. Price Position: 4 th. http://i.imgur.com/GlHfyoe.jpg the good old Tein H.Tech http://i.imgur.com/fv91n4G.jpg Tein H.Tech on katabatic front shock http://i.imgur.com/prSVCUv.jpg clearance rear 19cm (from the doorstep http://i.imgur.com/MPvnarX.jpg clearance rear 18cm (from the doorstep) e) it is desirable to have a good set of shafts STI GRB - stock from Legacy BM9 shorter because of what Hub nut is screwed on all 3 coils, which is not very desirable. As a result, further treated with locking thread. Will compare shafts and GRB BM9 interchangeability and look b / y - new will cost 40 thousand rubles. http://i.imgur.com/VtwBNhy.jpg Hub nut barely baited 3) Gathering collapse . Price: 5 th. Ret collapse is both the stock - all clearly. The only - visually right front wheel sticks out 10mm from the left. This same problem experienced dimanec07, myself even changed shock warranty - NOT helped. Thus, the total cost of parts and labor to change drill resulted in a lump sum - about 65 thousand rubles . Instead I got: 1) choice of a huge number of disks - b / y and new 2) is much more durable and tough front hub and fists Of course, this way financially justified only if you want to install large (20 inches +) and sweeping drive (9 + inches) with wide tires (245mm +), because in this case, the only option - is to make new wheels on order. And this is big time - 3-6 months - and a great price - for example, such as I stand four thousand dollars in Japan. With delivery and customs clearance will have more five thousand dollars If you want to size 19x9, you can either find it in the drill 5x100, 5x114.3 or buy long reach (at least 45) and use the 10-millemetrovye spacers PCD-Changers (cost about 20 thousand rubles. Considering shipping from Japan). With them, you can easily fit in a rubber arch width to 235-245mm. PS Places to suspension components enough to fill up a little. Having space also allows you to set the front sports bar (they take up more space, because they spring descends much lower runoff, climbing on "territory wheels") http://i.imgur.com/DpGW1pp.jpg distance to the rear suspension http://i.imgur.com/p8e9sq7.jpg distance to the front suspension Issue price 65 000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_jayce Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 Thank you sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2baru Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Not exactly the most affordable thing to do but I stumbled upon that on the Aussie forums and was meaning to post it. Just now gave me the perfect excuse to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_jayce Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 I'm wondering if it would be easier to just find. 5x114 front hub assembly and Pop the hub out of the bearing and pressing it into the existing hub on the car ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acumenhokie Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Thank you so much for posting that. Makes me understand what swapping to an R180 in the back with an STi setup would really take. It also sounded really expensive until I saw that 2,000 rubles is $34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen5is Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 lol hey thats my post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppertone Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 ^^ what part is your posting ? 2010 2.5GT limited is for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2baru Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The part that I copied and pasted from the liberty forums. Sooo all of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBPeik Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 fwiw: Does not seem worth it to me. Very neat post though. Now at least I know how to do it if I choose to. My someday I will be done with it thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 If you knew you were going to get into an sti swap down the road it would make sense to get as much out of the way ahead of time as possible. So in that sense it would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBPeik Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 If you knew you were going to get into an sti swap down the road it would make sense to get as much out of the way ahead of time as possible. So in that sense it would be worth it. Very true. I stand corrected. My someday I will be done with it thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_jayce Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'm sure there is a lot easier way then hackin up the front knuckle, I'm going to press a 5x114 hub into my existing bearing. I'll do a little write up if it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen5is Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Anyone thought about the Gen VI knuckles and shafts? They come with 5x114 PCD don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acumenhokie Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Anyone thought about the Gen VI knuckles and shafts? They come with 5x114 PCD don't they? Tirerack says the Gen VI is 5x100 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 TireRack is wrong. 6th Gen Legacy and 2014 WRX are all 5x114.3 I plan on ordering a 6th Gen front and rear hub as well as 5th Gen hubs to compare and measure. I suspect the 6th Gen units will drop right into the 5th Gen. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyZero Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 TireRack is wrong. 6th Gen Legacy and 2014 WRX are all 5x114.3 I plan on ordering a 6th Gen front and rear hub as well as 5th Gen hubs to compare and measure. I suspect the 6th Gen units will drop right into the 5th Gen. Here's to hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acumenhokie Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 lol hey thats my post! How did you handle the lack of an engine mount on the STi Trans? For better or worse this may be my next transmission and it would be great to know how others have overcome this limitation. I assume you had to fabricate something? Any pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awddavid Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 TireRack is wrong. 6th Gen Legacy and 2014 WRX are all 5x114.3 I plan on ordering a 6th Gen front and rear hub as well as 5th Gen hubs to compare and measure. I suspect the 6th Gen units will drop right into the 5th Gen. GTEASER, did you ever try this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen5is Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 How did you handle the lack of an engine mount on the STi Trans? For better or worse this may be my next transmission and it would be great to know how others have overcome this limitation. I assume you had to fabricate something? Any pics? When I meant that was my post. I meant I found it on a Russian car sight and google translated all the text and re uploaded the pictures. I didn't actually do the swap, a Russian guy on a popular car site did. So please, direct your questions to him (If you can get in contact with him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 GTEASER, did you ever try this? Also curious... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 GTEASER, did you ever try this? Also curious... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have all the part numbers for the 2015+ hubs and 2010-2014 hubs, but honestly, it's gonna cost over $1000 to get 1 front and 1 rear of each of the 5x114 and 5x100. And I want to get the Genuine Subaru parts to measure, not aftermarket replacements, so I am certain I have good data. The parts need to be measured, inspected and compared side by side to determine similarities and differences. Once this is confirmed, we will know if it's as simple as hub change or not. I suppose I could order these as long as I know they could be returned for minimal restocking fee. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I had to replace one of my GH8 front hubs after bending a rim and it was well under $200. Genuine parts. I was actually surprised they were that cheap. Not that I'd ask you to spend that much in the name of pure research of course. Take the hubs off your own car for reference purposes? So I take it the 6th gen part numbers do not match the GRB items eh? Would you mind posting them to see how close they are? I'll keep an eye out and see what comes into the shops I work with for an eyeball, but the 6th gen is selling really poorly here... sad, gutless thing that no-one wants. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 5x114 2015 Front - 28373AL00A, $194, fits all 2.5 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback 2015 Rear - 28473AL00A, $199, fits all 2.5 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback 5x100 2010-2014 Front - 28373AG01A, $265, fits all 2.5, 3.0 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback 2005-2014 2010-2012 Rear - 28473AJ00A, $265, fits all 2.5 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback 2013-2014 Rear - 28411AJ05A, $210, fits all 2.6 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback Not sure what the difference is in the rears of Series 1 and 2 5th Gens, but it is a different number. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awddavid Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 5x114 2015 Front - 28373AL00A, $194, fits all 2.5 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback 2015 Rear - 28473AL00A, $199, fits all 2.5 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback 5x100 2010-2014 Front - 28373AG01A, $265, fits all 2.5, 3.0 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback 2005-2014 2010-2012 Rear - 28473AJ00A, $265, fits all 2.5 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback 2013-2014 Rear - 28411AJ05A, $210, fits all 2.6 and 3.6 Legacy and Outback Not sure what the difference is in the rears of Series 1 and 2 5th Gens, but it is a different number. Hmm, maybe I'll hold out hope that the wheels I'm eyeing are eventually offered in 5x100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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