5thGenCVT Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Found one made in Russia on eBay. Advertised as for US models since Russia is LHD https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brake-Cylinder-Stopper-For-Subaru-Outback-BR-Legacy-BM-LHD/183653011593 Look like it has less mounting points than the Cusco design. Should still work. Can someone with Cusco brace comment on if the mounting points on this brace uses existing holes and don't have to be drilled? Have you tried this one? The master cylinder looks like its only being supported by a bolt, is that going to be strong enough to stop the master cylinder from flexing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanger Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 None of the Cusco mounting points have to be drilled, and uses all existing holes. One hole requires a screw receptacle similar to a license plate bracket screw. This specific mounting spot I've mentioned looks to be the one that is not used on this new ebay brace, so it's a non-issue. Ah. I see I guess I read it wrong a few pages back. The issue is where I can find Cusco one or Cusco copies? Have you tried this one? The master cylinder looks like its only being supported by a bolt, is that going to be strong enough to stop the master cylinder from flexing? Not yet, but how much does the cylinder move that's the question. I suppose this is more of a light weight design comparing to the Cusco one just might not be as effective ○ ○ ○ Instagram: itshangertime :spin: ○ ○ ○ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rumble Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Ah. I see I guess I read it wrong a few pages back. The issue is where I can find Cusco one or Cusco copies? Not yet, but how much does the cylinder move that's the question. I suppose this is more of a light weight design comparing to the Cusco one just might not be as effective Shoot Zee a PM on here or Facebook, he was able to source one from China for LHD. The Hardrace ones look to be clones of the Cusco one. 2012 Legacy 3.6R Build Thread 5th Gen Legacy BM/BR Body Kit Compendium Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanger Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I looked on Hardrace website. Weird that they only listed the brace for BR. I'm gonna pick one up later this year when I go back to Taiwan, it's like $30 lol ○ ○ ○ Instagram: itshangertime :spin: ○ ○ ○ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenCVT Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Ah. I see I guess I read it wrong a few pages back. The issue is where I can find Cusco one or Cusco copies? Not yet, but how much does the cylinder move that's the question. I suppose this is more of a light weight design comparing to the Cusco one just might not be as effective I'm not sure tbh, it looks like a small bolt is the only thing that supports the master cylinder. I might give it a try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I'm not sure tbh, it looks like a small bolt is the only thing that supports the master cylinder. I might give it a try though. That is pretty much what all of them do, just push a jam bolt against the end of the master cylinder. I would love to see someone put a dial indicator against the master cylinder and measure the deflection from pressing the brake pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenCVT Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) That is pretty much what all of them do, just push a jam bolt against the end of the master cylinder. I would love to see someone put a dial indicator against the master cylinder and measure the deflection from pressing the brake pedal. Yes, but my concern is with the size of the bolt and would it do much to stop the deflection of the master cylinder. I have a video where someone actually records and shows the amount of deflection with and without a brake stopper if you're interested. The one he uses at first has an even sturdier looking bolt and it still deflects, he does say it feels better however. You can skip to 0:24 if you want to hear his explanation of the deflection, or to 1:45 to see the results. Video: Edited March 11, 2019 by 5thGenCVT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD123 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 watch all the way to the end - the second brace pretty much stops all the movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 That brace in the video looks like it is made of much thinner material than the Cusco or AutoArt braces. Not sure about the HardRace brace as I haven't seen any pics yet. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenCVT Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 watch all the way to the end - the second brace pretty much stops all the movement Yeah too bad they don't make any for this car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdmorris Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) The Hardrace brace arrived quickly and nicely double-boxed once Hardrace USA had it and the brace itself lined up nicely and installed quickly. Three mounting points on my '14 Outback 2.5i 6MT are threaded and ready to go. One isn't drilled (bottom most, closest to the firewall) and the last but likely most important mounting point is the other rear hole that comes out in the wheel well at the spring perch. Getting the bolt or nut in that goes into the wheel well is a bit annoying but the others line up and thread in quickly. I don't know how well the hardware will hold up to water and salt but it looks shiny for now. As for the function of the brace, I'm surprised every time I've installed one at how much difference it makes. I always mocked the braces as stupid until a friend did a blind A-B test with me as the driver in a '15 WRX. I learned that Subaru definitely cuts some corners on firewall rigidity! Anyway, I'm happy with it! Edited March 24, 2019 by jdmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenCVT Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) The Hardrace brace arrived quickly and nicely double-boxed once Hardrace USA had it and the brace itself lined up nicely and installed quickly. Three mounting points on my '14 Outback 2.5i 6MT are threaded and ready to go. One isn't drilled (bottom most, closest to the firewall) and the last but likely most important mounting point is the other rear hole that comes out in the wheel well at the spring perch. Getting the bolt or nut in that goes into the wheel well is a bit annoying but the others line up and thread in quickly. I don't know how well the hardware will hold up to water and salt but it looks shiny for now. As for the function of the brace, I'm surprised every time I've installed one at how much difference it makes. I always mocked the braces as stupid until a friend did a blind A-B test with me as the driver in a '15 WRX. I learned that Subaru definitely cuts some corners on firewall rigidity! Anyway, I'm happy with it! Awesome how did you actually order it though? I went one the website and when I went to check out it says that I need a company name to check out? Edited March 24, 2019 by 5thGenCVT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdmorris Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 sales@buyhardrace.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenCVT Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 sales@buyhardrace.com Thanks for your help, I just got an email back from them saying that they're getting a few in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A_ron Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Glad to see a big name parts company picking this up. I'll always love my auto art group buy master cylinder brace but it's cool to see support for our cars still growing. Build Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frock_You Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 So I got mine second hand but it was never used... I was told it was limited time thing made specifically for our cars. It looks just like the custco from what I can tell in pics online. But this is one of my favorite mods I've done the difference is night and day. I've driven supercars that can't stop with this thing. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD123 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 that looks like one of the RikGT ones (one thing that looks to be different on those and the cusco vs. the hardrace one is the extra bracing inside the angled part that the holder rod goes through) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenCVT Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 So I finally got mine and I've been driving with it for a week now and I have to say it really does improve the brake pedal feel by a lot, it feels like it eliminated about 3 inches of brake pedal travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy.B Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Yeah I really like mine that I got from RikGT. It was definitely one of those much needed cheap mods, along with the 5EAT bushing insert and the Perrin steering dampener lockdown. Timothy.B's 2011 LEGACY 3.6R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murderme Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I was emailed back, hardrace dosent make them for the 2012 legy, anyone know where I can get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rumble Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I was emailed back, hardrace dosent make them for the 2012 legy, anyone know where I can get one. ..yes they do. There's literally a picture of one installed higher up on this page. It's the same fitment for Outback and Legacy. https://www.ebay.com/itm/182722033139. 2012 Legacy 3.6R Build Thread 5th Gen Legacy BM/BR Body Kit Compendium Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanger Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Who is this "RikGT" guy? Edit: Oh nvm, it's Luis ○ ○ ○ Instagram: itshangertime :spin: ○ ○ ○ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I was emailed back, hardrace dosent make them for the 2012 legy, anyone know where I can get one.12 Leggy is the same as 11 Leggy and 10 Leggy and 13 Leggy and if you're in the US 14 Leggy and if you're in the rest of the LHD world also the 09 Leggy. GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murderme Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 This is the response I recieved, so the outback one will fit I'm not sure why hardrace couldn't tell me this? Hi Shea, Thanks for your interest in Hardrace products. We do not have master cylinder brake for 2012 Legacy gt. Thank you! Best Regards, Betty Chu HARDRACE CO., LTD. Export Dep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thGenCVT Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 This is the response I recieved, so the outback one will fit I'm not sure why hardrace couldn't tell me this? Hi Shea, Thanks for your interest in Hardrace products. We do not have master cylinder brake for 2012 Legacy gt. Thank you! Best Regards, Betty Chu HARDRACE CO., LTD. Export Dep. It's a special order part, give them the part number (8618) and tell them you'd like to order one. I think it's because it was made for other markets and not the U.S., but when I bought mine the guy told me that they were getting a shipment of them in stock so they should have some left, unless they all sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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