dvancleve Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) I am probably going to buy an '07 OBXT with a manual transmission. I have driven it twice and everything seems great but the clutch pedal is very stiff. It seems to work fine, just pretty hard to push it in. The owner says it has always been that way or at least he never noticed a change. The car has 57,500 miles on it and has had all the maintenance done on schedule. The clutch is definitely stiffer than the ones in a Mazda Speed3, Ford Focus ST and '11 WRX I have driven. Is that normal? Edit: come on guys, nothing? I have come across several reports of stiff clutches in these cars (I assume the 05-09 LGTs would be the same?), but also statements that it probably means the clutch is wearing out. This could be a deal-breaker for me as I suspect the seller won't be interested in dropping the price another grand and it really is stiff when driving... Thanks, Doug Edited January 22, 2013 by dvancleve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockford Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 It's normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 OEM clutch is stiff, especcially towards the bottom of pedal travel. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvancleve Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Well I managed to drive a different, higher mileage OBXT, just for comparison. The second one has what I would call a firm clutch pedal, but nothing like the first one. Something is definitely dried up/contaminated/worn on the first one. I was able to get $500 knocked off the price, so I am going to buy it anyway. I will have to decide whether I want to suffer with the stiff pedal until the clutch starts to slip, or suck it up and have it worked on... Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Stiff and frim pedals are not normal in these cars. There is no real difference between the OEM clutch in my 09 Spec B and the Spec 2 clutch in my 05 GT Wagon. Even the old Spec 2+ clutch had just a slightly stiffer then stock feel. These clutchs should feel close to a Honda clutch. You'll want to gat a TSK3 TOB kit when you replace the clutch soon. Oh yea, and grease the start shaft when it's out for the new clutch. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockford Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I can't find the reference now, but I swear when I was initially researching my car I read something about the XT's clutch being heavier-duty in some way or another. I could be making that up. Mine came with 62k miles and a very stiff clutch... which then gave out with a stage 1 tune at around 70k. I replaced it with an OEM GT clutch, using the WRX single-mass flywheel and TSK3 kit (Fred Beans page). The pedal is less stiff than before -- my friends seemed to stop commenting on it, anyway -- but still a good deal stiffer than the old Nissan 4x4 I used to have. When I'd drive the truck for the first time in a while, I'd just about push the clutch pedal through the floor on the first shift, the pedal was so light. (It's been too long since I've driven a manual Honda for me to make that comparison.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compsurge Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 It's stiff from factory. Max Capacity just has huge calf muscles Going from the OEM to the FX300 I have now was night and day. The FX300 is much lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yea, know, driving into work yesterday I began to think... Yea, I don't do that very often...may be this clutch is a little stiffer then a Honda. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darederek Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 so it is normal for the clutch to not really release spring tension at the bottom of the travel? 05 legacy gt the clutch seems exceptionally springy compared to other manual cars every other manual car i have driven the spring tension kind of releases at the floor to make it easy to hold there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compsurge Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Mine are easy to hold at the floor, it that helps. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darederek Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 New clutch fixed it. Acts normal now. Throwout bearinf mush have been hanging up or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 (edited) my pedal is stiff and so was the wrx that i test drove prior to buying my car. personally, i like it better than a soft clutch Edited March 18, 2013 by Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impatient Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I had a BMW with this issue once. The diagnosis that shop offered was that the pressure plate fingers had warped / collapsed / worn out. The pressure plate itself was fine, still clamping the clutch disc adequately, but clutch eventually wasn't disengaging adequately. When I replaced the pressure plate (along with everything else) all was well. Car was much more enjoyable to drive less aggressively. So the lack of disengagement was my cue to replace. It's like being on a teeter totter with the fulcrum closer to you than the other seat. Except its not like that, because the effort is higher AND (maybe) the movement on the other side is less as well..which doesn't quite match the teeter totter concept...unless the teeter totter "beam" had sagged to where you were barely getting the other guy off the ground. Now you know as little as I do. BTW, my current 07 XT clutch is stiff, and the reason I responded to this thread is I might be in the same boat OP is in. But until clutch doesn't disengage, slips, or throwout bearing gives out, I'll just keep building up my left leg muscles by driving it to and from my cube each day. As long as I drive aggressively, it seems to be "in character" and works fine. Bottom line is I can't rationalize replacing it until it gets worse. I had the dealer Service Tech inspect it & drive it, and he claims it is a 70K clutch, as appropriate, stiffer than some, but not out of line with others, has considerable life left, and not causing any other damage except perhaps to my knee and lower back). Besides, who needs a clutch except at initial launch from rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvancleve Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share Posted March 28, 2013 I am in the same boat. With the OBXT being the only car with a clutch that I am driving now, it doesn't seem that odd. It seemed super stiff when I was still driving my old '97 OB, but doesn't really bother me now. Until it starts slipping or the engine needs to come out for something else, I am going to leave it alone... Doug BTW, my current 07 XT clutch is stiff, and the reason I responded to this thread is I might be in the same boat OP is in. But until clutch doesn't disengage, slips, or throwout bearing gives out, I'll just keep building up my left leg muscles by driving it to and from my cube each day. As long as I drive aggressively, it seems to be "in character" and works fine. Bottom line is I can't rationalize replacing it until it gets worse. I had the dealer Service Tech inspect it & drive it, and he claims it is a 70K clutch, as appropriate, stiffer than some, but not out of line with others, has considerable life left, and not causing any other damage except perhaps to my knee and lower back). Besides, who needs a clutch except at initial launch from rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antennaman346 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I just purchased my first subaru - 09' OBXT 5mt with 64k. I found this thread because I was searching why my pedal was so Damn stiff. After 7 different manual vehicles in my driving career, this is by far the stiffest I've ever experienced. If I don't get used to it in a month, I'll be looking at different clutch options or various modifications because as my daily driver... It's pretty challenging. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this car. This is my only nit pick over it. Any new light shed on this stiff pedal that I missed while searching? Cheers, Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvancleve Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 Funny, nearly 5 years later I am still on that same crazy stiff clutch (pedal). It doesn't slip at all and I am used to it, it really only bugs me the few times I get stuck in bad traffic. I also had some body work done a couple years ago, so didn't drive it for a week or two. When I picked it up, yowza it seemed stiff Still of the opinion that replacing it when it works fine is silly... Doug I just purchased my first subaru - 09' OBXT 5mt with 64k. I found this thread because I was searching why my pedal was so Damn stiff. After 7 different manual vehicles in my driving career, this is by far the stiffest I've ever experienced. If I don't get used to it in a month, I'll be looking at different clutch options or various modifications because as my daily driver... It's pretty challenging. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this car. This is my only nit pick over it. Any new light shed on this stiff pedal that I missed while searching? Cheers, Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 It may have a ACT clutch in it, they have been known to be stiff. I love my Spec 2+ clutch, pedal feels close to stock. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyProfessional Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Mine has always been stiff and heavy, and it hasn't got notably worse or better since ive had it. Always just wrote it off as a heavy clutch. My shop told me they looked at it and couldn't find anything wrong with it, too. It might not be normal, but it is common, and hasn't seemed to wear the clutch down. Youll just get a big left leg is all haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvancleve Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 Update: something finally broke in my clutch. After letting the car sit for like five months (there are other cars I could drive in the family and mine is frequently parked in anyway), I took it to a shop to have the clutch replaced. Turns out the clutch itself was not bad, but the snout on the transmission was all chewed up and the throwout bearing basically disintegrated. If you’re in a mostly stock car, and the clutch pedal is really stiff, it might be worth having someone drop the trans and take a look. I ended up installing the TSK3 sleeve kit over my very chewed up and kind of broken transmission snout. The shop recommended looking for a used transmission, But those things are not growing on trees for Outback XTs. I didn’t trust that I would be able to get a good one for a good price in a reasonable amount of time… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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