LGT Owners, what car will you drive next?

So, what, you think the Stinger will lose more than 75% of its value in 10 years?

 

I don't. 75% is already huge depreciation. But I suppose it's possible.

 

1. I love what Subaru does as a brand, the focus on safety is foremost to me.

2. The STI is a niche performance vehicle that other performance cars are still benchmarking against, that says all there is to say about that.

3. Deserved or not Kia's don't hold their value, I doubt very seriously they will outperform previous "upscale" vehicles by the same manufacturer.

4. Hyundai/Kia is already marking them down to move them.

5. You are assuming a lot with reliability and warranty claim acceptance.

6. The s209 uses forged internals specifically sourced for it.

S209 is estimated to be over $50k. Base STI is still under $40k, $10k+ for 35hp is not worth it IMO. Compared to other cars in that price rage. You just have to give up the M/T.

 

come on you're reducing the the s209 a little bit here. with the different turbo/intake, injectors, fuel pump and IC sprayer on the s209 the thing is ready to cranked up from the factory. that's not to mention the handling upgrades, wider track, wider tires, upgraded bilsteins and legitimate aero.... the thing is going to be a back road monster and is just waiting for someone to put ARP head studs in, turn the thing to 11 and own fools left and right.

If the Stinger didn't have the following issues:

1) paint flaking

2) unsettled suspension in corners (some call it dangerous)

3) GT2 "DBW" gearshift won't stay in manual

4) insane lease interest rate

 

 

it would be more attractive. I am STILL considering one. However, I hear the "buy out right after leasing it to get a huge discount" trick doesn't work anymore, so your deal isn't reproducible anymore, AFAIK.

I’ve had my 2018 Stinger GT2 AWD for a year now. I drove my 2011 Legacy GT S2 for 7 years and clocked over 100K miles. I loved that car and wouldn’t buy anything until I found something I liked better. I still like the Stinger better. Flaking paint was mostly a problem with yellow Stingers and Kia has taken back affected cars with compensation or repainted at owner’s discretion. I still don’t miss the thin paint Subaru used on my (and every other) Legacy. Between that and CVT transmission, I doubt I’ll ever own another Subaru again.

I’ve had my 2018 Stinger GT2 AWD for a year now. I drove my 2011 Legacy GT S2 for 7 years and clocked over 100K miles. I loved that car and wouldn’t buy anything until I found something I liked better. I still like the Stinger better. Flaking paint was mostly a problem with yellow Stingers and Kia has taken back affected cars with compensation or repainted at owner’s discretion. I still don’t miss the thin paint Subaru used on my (and every other) Legacy. Between that and CVT transmission, I doubt I’ll ever own another Subaru again.

 

GT with a CVT?....

I’ve had my 2018 Stinger GT2 AWD for a year now. I drove my 2011 Legacy GT S2 for 7 years and clocked over 100K miles. I loved that car and wouldn’t buy anything until I found something I liked better. I still like the Stinger better. Flaking paint was mostly a problem with yellow Stingers and Kia has taken back affected cars with compensation or repainted at owner’s discretion. I still don’t miss the thin paint Subaru used on my (and every other) Legacy. Between that and CVT transmission, I doubt I’ll ever own another Subaru again.

 

 

If you search at all, every paint color had issues.

 

 

 

Cvt? My '05 has 5eat, stinger gt has 8eat (iirc) and s209 6mt..

If the Stinger didn't have the following issues:

1) paint flaking

2) unsettled suspension in corners (some call it dangerous)

3) GT2 "DBW" gearshift won't stay in manual

4) insane lease interest rate

 

it would be more attractive. I am STILL considering one. However, I hear the "buy out right after leasing it to get a huge discount" trick doesn't work anymore, so your deal isn't reproducible anymore, AFAIK.

 

1)Yes people with a few colors have had legitimate issues with flaking, but with all the hype there are also a lot of people that are complaining about normal rock chips.

2)The suspension is worlds better than my '10 LGT was factory. I know what you're talking about but I have never felt it was unsafe with the little bit of mid corner bounce. I have F&R sways on order and from other reviews they make a world of difference.

3)This is an annoying trait but it is not that difficult to get in the habit of hitting the downshift paddle at a stop to kick it back into manual mode.

4) Didn't lease, not sure why the lease buyout trick wouldn't work. Wish I would have known about it when I bought mine...

I have Micro Blue, the paint color that supposedly had the next most issues after Sunset Yellow. My car is also an early build date (12/17). No problems after 12,000+ miles.

 

The paint issues exist, but are way more isolated than some people assume. I've only seen a handful of reports of issues with each color.

 

BTW, the suspension issue is really only in Sport mode. I solve the issue by rarely using Sport mode, unless I'm on an autocross course. The performance is high enough in Comfort, and the suspension works much better in the softer setting. I was a vocal complainer about the inferiority of the Stinger suspension early on when I got the car, and I still believe that the tuning in Sport mode is inappropriate for on-road use, but I've discovered that it's actually decent in Comfort. Not as good as the SS, that's for sure, but better than any Subaru I've ever driven.

 

Oh, and not sure where you heard you can't do a lease buyout any more. Lots of people are still doing them.

 

 

Thanks for that info (about the suspension). I'm still interested in one, sort of. I'd have to talk the family into it some. I would consider a 2019 GT1 AWD (or maybe RWD, since it now has LSD!), since it has the true manual shifter, and the better seats, etc..

Anyone did test drive for the G70? Let us know how you like/dislike it?

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Which ones? The Evo and the Focus RS are both gone, but even when they were around, they won multiple comparos against the STI. The Golf R is in a different class, as is the RS3. The Civic Type R is slower, barely, but FWD. All the turbo V6es are faster, whether or not they're AWD. And why are you recommending "a niche performance vehicle" as a daily driver that's slower than multiple more comfortable options in any environment except a racetrack?

 

Benchmarking means using as a point of reference to show how good something is, eg. "the new Golf R is even faster than an STI". the fact that you know all of those comparisons proves his point. say what you like but a 15 year old motor & drive train still being benchmarked against brand new ones and barely being eeked out is pretty impressive.

If I were buying today, I would probably be looking at the GT1 pretty hard. The HUD, 360 degree camera, and power liftgate are nice features, but I don't think I need them, and the GT1 is a fair amount cheaper. The lack of LSD was one of the main reasons I didn't even consider the 2018 GT1.

 

You're kidding, right? The only reason I made those comparisons is that we've been talking about the S209 for the past three pages. Nobody in their right mind is going to cross shop anything with a turbo 6, or the RS3, against an STI. Not many people will cross shop the Golf R, either. Maybe someone will cross shop the CTR, but not many people are cross shopping those against any of the above either, and I have certainly never considered buying one. And as I said, the two main competitors to the STI have been discontinued.

 

Y'all are trying to make the STI seem relevant. I get it. We're on a Subaru forum. But IMO, one, its time in the sun is past, and two, if you're looking to replace a turbo Legacy, it's the wrong car.

 

Like it or not the STI is still a benchmark car. if your car can take down an STI in a straight line its quick, if it can take down an STI in the twisties its fast, if it can take down an STI on dirt its a god.... yea its doesn't dominate anymore, and no, it doesn't have the luxury to be cross shopped with a 60k audi. is the s209 an ideal daily? no i never said that and anyone trying to say that is silly cuz the thing is gonna beat you up. is the S209 a sick car that is going to perform extremely well in its element which is the track/rally stage, be ready to be cranked up and be one of the few remaining true drivers cars w/ a 6 speed and an actual physical LSD? hell yes. call me stupid but when i drive i like to change my own gears whether its faster or not i could care less. you'll be hard pressed to convince me anything AWD is more fun than the STI and the S209 doubly so.

Have we beaten S209 vs Stinger debate to death yet?

Can someone explain to me the lease buyout in a nutshell?

Sign up for a lease, immediately buy it out at the contractually set price. That total cost is less than purchasing upfront.

Sign up for a lease, immediately buy it out at the contractually set price. That total cost is less than purchasing upfront.

 

Does the leasing have additional incentives that are not available for outright purchases?

Does the leasing have additional incentives that are not available for outright purchases?

 

 

Yes - $3k-$8k in "lease cash" (depending on model)

They're nothing alike and suggesting anyone cross-shop them is dumb.

 

NEXT!

 

 

By repeatedly insulting me, you're really NOT helping your point . I'm strongly cross shopping STI vs. maybe Stinger or Charger. I'd consider a good deal on a 6AT SS, but they seem to want the same price they wanted 2-3 years ago for a used one. I've dropped Q50 from consideration due to lack of rear seat space. I can't imagine owning Audi/BMW/MB out of warranty, and I like to keep my cars a long time and/or modify.

 

I like the engine of the Stinger. I like the transmission of the Charger (I prefer a good auto these days - my 5EAT + F1 Hexmods is pretty good, and the wife can't drive stick. I drove stick for my first 17 years of driving, so no biggie, just not sure I want to do it in traffic).

 

I like the STI for the solid transmission / diffs. Because of my LGT, I know lots about the car, most of the engine stuff, etc. It's a Subaru, so there are a lot less gotchas to learn. The upgrade path is a known quantity, flex fuel is readily available, etc.. I have some Auto-X / track interest, so again, STI is a known quantity. Plus, good tuners exist locally.

 

Also, subaru dealers aren't generally considered the worst part of owning a subaru. Dodge dealers are a small step above Kia dealers.. (we've owned 2 FCA minivans). Subaru is one large step above both, IMO. Not Lexus level, though.. I have an independent mechanic who does a decent job on my LGT, and reputable Subaru specialists not too far. I'm sure I can find someone to work on a Charger . Stinger? Burger won't even ship to CA..

 

Ideal car: Kia motor, Charger 8-speed, STI AWD in a hatch/wagon version of current-size STI. The Stinger MAY be the best compromise out of all of those.. And potentially has the most headaches, based on my research.

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I'm sorry, but cross shopping an STI vs Charger makes no sense to me. One is a sporty turbo 4 sedan "rally car" (quotes because marketing does not equal reality), and the other is a V8 boat.

I'm not trying to be insulting, it's just that I wouldn't compare a Miata to a Camry either.

If your wants are 4 door and performance its not silly at all. Most of us have a really wide range of whats acceptable for the right price or features.

Official reveal will be at the Chicago auto show next Thursday.

 

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/31/2020-subaru-legacy-teased-luxurious-interior-chicago-auto-show/

 

 

Edited January 31, 2019 by Falcor

By repeatedly insulting me, you're really NOT helping your point . I'm strongly cross shopping STI vs. maybe Stinger or Charger. I'd consider a good deal on a 6AT SS, but they seem to want the same price they wanted 2-3 years ago for a used one. I've dropped Q50 from consideration due to lack of rear seat space. I can't imagine owning Audi/BMW/MB out of warranty, and I like to keep my cars a long time and/or modify.

 

I like the engine of the Stinger. I like the transmission of the Charger (I prefer a good auto these days - my 5EAT + F1 Hexmods is pretty good, and the wife can't drive stick. I drove stick for my first 17 years of driving, so no biggie, just not sure I want to do it in traffic).

 

I like the STI for the solid transmission / diffs. Because of my LGT, I know lots about the car, most of the engine stuff, etc. It's a Subaru, so there are a lot less gotchas to learn. The upgrade path is a known quantity, flex fuel is readily available, etc.. I have some Auto-X / track interest, so again, STI is a known quantity. Plus, good tuners exist locally.

 

Also, subaru dealers aren't generally considered the worst part of owning a subaru. Dodge dealers are a small step above Kia dealers.. (we've owned 2 FCA minivans). Subaru is one large step above both, IMO. Not Lexus level, though.. I have an independent mechanic who does a decent job on my LGT, and reputable Subaru specialists not too far. I'm sure I can find someone to work on a Charger . Stinger? Burger won't even ship to CA..

 

Ideal car: Kia motor, Charger 8-speed, STI AWD in a hatch/wagon version of current-size STI. The Stinger MAY be the best compromise out of all of those.. And potentially has the most headaches, based on my research.

 

so you want a spacious hatchback with a great auto box awd and a turbo motor...

y u no want golf r with dsg?

a stage 2 dsg r smokes any of the above listed cars at a similar or cheaper price. and its not boy racer like that thing they call an STi now.

yes, im a bit biased lol, but honestly.

Edited January 31, 2019 by stocklgt