Scubaboo Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The clunking is getting pretty bad lol, I think it's suspension time. I have JDM sport suspension with inverted strut Bilsteins. They are working fine and I could get them lubed to get rid of the clunking but I am wanting a change too. Konis of course are a well documented option. Either with aftermarket springs or OE 13-up springs. A bit over $600 for the inserts plus $200 or so for aftermarket springs. Plus donor struts, as its unknown if they will fit the Bilstein housings. KW variant 1's get lots of rave reviews in many platforms about being set pretty much perfectly for daily sporty use, AND are height adjustable. But they list at $1500 or so. I may be able to get the KW V1 from someone for about the price of Konis and aftermarket springs. Interested in everyone's opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I've heard great things about the KW coilovers too. I love my Koni + RCE Blacks setup, but if height adjustability is important to you, go with the KW Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 So I just lubed up the struts and it's peace and quiet again, lessens the urgency a bit so I can think clearly lol! Yes I do want height adjustability. Roads suck here and I want to be able to dial in some height on longer trips. I could go Koni and spacers to raise but I would be in high mode all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DugsSin Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 So I would be in high mode all the time. don't mind me just an 'ole hippie from the 60's having a flashback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 An alignment should be done everytime the height of the coil overs is changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 don't mind me just an 'ole hippie from the 60's having a flashback. Huh? I dont get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 An alignment should be done everytime the height of the coil overs is changed. I've taken that into consideration and thankfully alignments are only like $15 here, Im ok with that a few times a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I would go Koni plus either the aftermarket or 13+ springs. As mentioned, you can always add spacers for the height. Also, what is the age of the KW V1's? If not new, they would need serviced earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 Falcor, the KWs are NIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedaykin Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 NIB? I'd go KW if the pricing is similar. I went with TEIN Street Basis Z on my car instead of rebuilding the Bilsteins, ride quality is pretty much the same, height is a tad lower (about 1cm, struts wound up to highest). Saved $200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2baru Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I have hks Hypermax's....been riding like a dream the last 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 If they are NIB, I think you may kick yourself for not going with the KW’s. The only real difference (if I read the KW site correctly) is the Koni’s are adjustable and the KW’s are not. That might make a difference on a long road trip. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 NIB? I'd go KW if the pricing is similar. I went with TEIN Street Basis Z on my car instead of rebuilding the Bilsteins, ride quality is pretty much the same, height is a tad lower (about 1cm, struts wound up to highest). Saved $200 Oh yeah we have the same Billies! Yes, NIB. Im hoping they will ride better than OEM, everyone seems to rave how they are valved just right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedaykin Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 What does NIB stand for? You Americans and your acronyms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD123 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 new in box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 What does NIB stand for? You Americans and your acronyms what are you thoughts on light emitting diodes? My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoodhue Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 What does NIB stand for? You Americans and your acronyms Scoobaboo doesn't even live in American. We get blamed enough as it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted April 2, 2019 Author Share Posted April 2, 2019 Scoobaboo doesn't even live in American. We get blamed enough as it is... Sorry, NIB is as American as apple strudel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted April 2, 2019 Author Share Posted April 2, 2019 What does NIB stand for? You Americans and your acronyms As mentioned, New In Box. Wait, arent you from 'Straya? IMO you defo have 'muricans beat in the acronyms and abbreviations dept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedaykin Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 [sorry for off topic post] Haha nah we just shorten/butcher words, more coloUrful aye what are you thoughts on light emitting diodes? They're great. I have them throughout my car. Philips 4000K T10 and 30mm festoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan.ej255 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 its unknown if they will fit the Bilstein housings. I replaced all my dampers last week and I can confirm that the Koni inserts will not be compatible with our OEM Bilsteins. The "inserts" on the Bilsteins are beefier (bigger) than the usual twin tube struts, the Koni inserts won't seat snugly without modifying the Bilstein strut. You will definitely need KYB front strut donors if you're going the Koni route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittmeister Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 I've been very pleased with my Koni/H&R setup since installing it last fall. Rides nice and handles far better than stock. The install is kinda a pain with the need to modify the front struts so if you don't want to cut stuff up the coilovers might be the way to go. FWIW I have put coilovers on several other cars and this setup compares very favorably in the end result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 I replaced all my dampers last week and I can confirm that the Koni inserts will not be compatible with our OEM Bilsteins. The "inserts" on the Bilsteins are beefier (bigger) than the usual twin tube struts, the Koni inserts won't seat snugly without modifying the Bilstein strut. You will definitely need KYB front strut donors if you're going the Koni route. Thanks Ivan! How did you end up getting the Konis on? And what springs did you use? Any other suspension mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan.ej255 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Thanks Ivan! How did you end up getting the Konis on? And what springs did you use? Any other suspension mods? Actually, I did not go with the Koni's. It was an impulsive buy on KYBs but I chose the KYB SR's, which is the same size as a regular KYB Excels and that's how I made the conclusion that the Koni's will not fit on the Bilstein struts. About the impulsive buy: The ride on the stock Bilsteins have gotten so bad to the point that I was actually embarrassed to have passengers in my car. One day my parents' car was in for a service at the dealer so I gave them a ride, when I looked at them they were holding on the grab handles as I was traversing a road that unsettled my Legacy so bad, very opposite of how that road would feel in their sedan (an '18 Mazda6 diesel which feels much sportier in the handling department but also rides miles better than my Legacy despite the Bilstein shocks which is embarrassing). Later that afternoon I ordered the KYB SR right-away out of frustration. So yeah, sadly, my Koni plan didn't push through because of this. KYB SR: The compression is greatly improved compared to the Bilsteins, car still feels stiff, but handles the bumps better now. Braking is GREATLY improved, like I can't even believe it. Rebound feels the same as the Bilsteins, which means the car still feels crashy at times, especially when going over dips in a quick succession. So the major improvements are bumps, braking, and noise (it's a lot quieter now). The car is still not where I want it to be in terms of ride and handling, so these shocks might be temporary. Still haven't installed my Eibach springs as I can't afford to lose 1 inch of ground clearance given the conditions of our roads here. I'll do bigger diameter tires first (probably 245/45 R18) before springs to compensate for that 1 inch. I'm currently in touch with a local guy (CS) who is known to rebuild and revalve high end coilovers and shocks, I might have him work on my old Bilsteins and see if he can decrease the high speed compression damping to improve bump absorption while maintaining the low speed compression to resist body roll. I'm also researching about this guy (FCM) in the US who is famous for his in-depth knowledge about Bilstein shocks. I know the easy way is to just buy Koni or KW, but given that I now have a set of used Bilsteins laying around, might as well use the opportunity to do some R&D. EDIT: A friend recently took me for a ride in his Toyota 86 with KW coilovers, the car rides much much stiffer than our LGT but it handled bumps and dips WAAAY better. I couldn't even hear some of the bumps. I think the way his car rides is my goal for my LGT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaboo Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 Ivan, agree 100% on the Bilstein being stiff in city driving lol! I also considered KYB SR's but research leads me to believe they are underdamped for the sport package springs we have. The SRs ride well with the right springs though, I paired SRs with Swift Sport lowering springs on my previous Forester SG9 and liked them. Ride was a lot better than the Legacy. I think the Eibachs will be a better match for the SRs. You can adjust height with front and rear strut spacers to keep ground clearance. Or put in 19's with 245/40's to gain some height with looks. I hear Coilover Specialist does nice work but revalving can be hit or miss IMO. And any adjustment will need the dampers to be removed from the car again. Unless he has experience with these particular dampers with those particular springs, it may take a few tries to dial it in. I'll probably have him replace the inverted strut bearings and reseal my Bilsteins once I get a new suspension though, so I have a set in reserve. Your experience with KWs echoes what I read about them online. I'm leaning towards these as like you, I need the ground clearance. As a bonus, I'm looking forward to lowering these once in a while just for the look on well planned trips on good roads. Hoping to get the deal closed soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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