yokotaalum Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Last winter I started having some problems with the power steering system on my 05 GT. My symptoms included noise from the power steering pump, bubbles in the power steering reservoir (which usually resulted in overflowing fluid out of the reservoir), and intermittent power steering loss in cold weather when the car was first started. When the car would warm up, the problem would go away as the power steering system bled the air out of the system. I was able to track the problem down to the o-ring on the feed fitting on the top of the power steering pump. When cold, the o-ring would shrink and let air into the system. When the engine warmed and the o-ring expanded, the air leak would close and the system would return to normal eventually. I tried replacing the o-ring with something off the shelf and while it did help a little, over time last winter the problem started to return, though not as bad. I knew this was related to the o-ring material not being correct for power steering fluid, but my Subaru dealer said they were unable to order just the o-ring by itself. Fast forward to this year and I figured I'd try again while I was picking up valve cover gaskets from the dealer. Amazingly, the parts counter guy was able to get me a part number and order the o-ring. Put it in this weekend and this morning with temps in the 30s, I had no issues with my power steering. It's a cheap easy fix if you have the same symptoms I did. Subaru part number is 34439FG000. Hopefully this helps someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJMC Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Good job! Sounds like symptoms and fix that could affect any vehicle. My buddy had this same exact problem with his '06 Accord and fixed it the same way, by replacing O-ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_karu_ Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 How do we replace the o-ring? Is this something that can be done without bleeding the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chato Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I didn't drain mine. one bolt holds the hose to the top of the pump. just take out the bolt, then quickly lift the hose above the level of the fluid reservoir and you shouldn't lose too much fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNRZR Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I didn't drain mine. one bolt holds the hose to the top of the pump. just take out the bolt, then quickly lift the hose above the level of the fluid reservoir and you shouldn't lose too much fluid. X2 No need to bleed if done this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_karu_ Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Thanks, guys! I think I'm going to do this right before I do the P/S flush. I went to the dealer last night and checked out the new Legacy sitting inside the dealer floor. I noticed the level of the reservoir for P/S is at "Max Cold." Meanwhile, my car's P/S reservoir is at "Min Cold" in the morning. So, perhaps it's been seeping out of the P/S pump due to the o-ring issue. I do notice oil dampness around the pump. I might want to take a picture of the reservoir with the brand new fluid on it. Mine is actually really dark... Edited March 21, 2013 by _karu_ Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjk77 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 anyone have a pic of this o ring fix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charged Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 (edited) anyone have a pic of this o ring fix? I just did it the other day. No pics, but it's simple. Find the power steering pump. Directly on top is a hose with a 90deg composite fitting. One bolt is holding it down. Undo the bolt and pull the fitting straight up. Some fluid will come out, but just quickly just raise the hose up above the reservoir and seal it with your thumb. Sometimes the O-ring will be on the fitting or you may have to fish it out of the pump. Replace O-ring, re-install fitting, and top off fluid if necessary. If you're going to go that far you might consider flushing the power steering system. There is a post in the Walkthrough section detailing how to do it. It's not that much harder. Part# 34439FG000 was ~$2 at the dealer. Edited April 21, 2013 by Charged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjk77 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I just did it the other day. No pics, but it's simple. Find the power steering pump. Directly on top is a hose with a 90deg composite fitting. One bolt is holding it down. Undo the bolt and pull the fitting straight up. Some fluid will come out, but just quickly just raise the hose up above the reservoir and seal it with your thumb. Sometimes the O-ring will be on the fitting or you may have to fish it out of the pump. Replace O-ring, re-install fitting, and top off fluid if necessary. If you're going to go that far you might consider flushing the power steering system. There is a post in the Walkthrough section detailing how to do it. It's not that much harder. Part# 34439FG000 was ~$2 at the dealer. thanks. i'll give it a whirl. yeah i saw it's like 1.40 at fredbeans, but i'll just call a local dealership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subby Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 thanks I think I have the same problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryD Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I very much appreciate this information and especially having the O-Ring part number handy. Could I break into this discussion briefly so I don't have to start a new thread? What are you all using for power steering fluid? OEM Subaru? I see in the FSM that Dextron III (ATF?) is equivalent. Does anyone use this, and if so, is it a clear fluid like the OEM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragman Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 My understanding is that you are supposed to use Subaru ATF fluid in the Power Steering. That fluid is red, not clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHCstunr Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 For $2 I'll give it a shot. My symptoms are identical to the OP. Zero issues Last year, just a small fluid leak. Winter comes, starts acting up. Make it through the winter, no issues all spring, all summer. First startup on a cold day a few weeks ago... issues come back. I've never seen anything dextron based that wasn't red. This includes coolant and p/s fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outahere Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) ……..I see in the FSM that Dextron III (ATF?) is equivalent. Does anyone use this, and if so, is it a clear fluid like the OEM? I used to use DexIII, but it is longer available on store shelves, from what I have seen. I now use DexVI, which is backwards compatible with DexIII. It is a red tinted liquid. Edited November 18, 2013 by outahere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryD Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Thanks for answering my slightly off topic question. I like that the OEM fluid starts out clear and darkens as it gets contaminated, so I will probably pick some up from the dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbcracken Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 My power steering was whining, losing a little fluid and lots of foam in the fluid. I just replaced my o-ring but got A close matching one from my local garage I can walk to. The old one did feel a little stiff but not to the point of breaking. Thanks for the above part number...I may swing by the dealership and just pick one up in case this one doesn't work. No need to bleed the power steering or anything... Cheers, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian3676 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I just did this the O ring was like $1.60 or something from Subaru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatentWagen Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Money well spent. LW's spec. B / YT / IG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Did this P/N make it into this thread - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fflint_18 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I seem to be having the same problem with my 2000 Legacy. Any idea if this could be the same solution. Everything seemed fine until this morning and 0 degree temp. Now it feels like no power steering. There was a bit of squealing when I started the car, but then it quieted it down. Drove to work with what feels like no steering. Popped the hood figuring that I would be missing a belt and everything seems fine and turning nicely. But no steering. Any advice would be welcome. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theflystyle Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Here is a video of what I thought was the o-ring whine. http://s306.photobucket.com/user/theflystyle/media/VIDEO0006_zps253e855f.mp4.html Here is a picture of the o-ring (the 04 outback has 2 rings / both are the o-rings in the car in the above video) http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn257/theflystyle/IMAG0017_zps221281a3.jpg http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn257/theflystyle/IMAG0016_zpsb34eb0b5.jpg I replaced both o-rings with Subaru parts, I turned the wheels lock to lock to try to expell air but its still very noisy. As a test I sprayed some belt dressing around and it quieted the whine but came back within a minute. This is driving me crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm25rs Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Here is a video of what I thought was the o-ring whine. I replaced both o-rings with Subaru parts, I turned the wheels lock to lock to try to expell air but its still very noisy. As a test I sprayed some belt dressing around and it quieted the whine but came back within a minute. This is driving me crazy Video sounds like belt whine to me, which would mean adjust belt tension, maybe replace the belt. I just did the o-ring fix for my car, and it's fine now. The pump whine was pretty a pretty terrible noise (sort of like the Banshee from Halo), and increased with rpm when driving - didn't sound anything like your video. Do you have air bubbles in your PS reservoir after driving? Losing any fluid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theflystyle Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 There were a few bubbles in the PS res when I was turning the wheel lock-to-lock but they stopped. The belts also looked like they were in good condition and the tracks were not worn or cracked... The wheel is a beast to turn and since this is an older lady's DD (grandma) I want to fix it ASAP. I guess I need to lookup how to adjust the belt tension since I havent had to do that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyShackleford Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I wonder if mine has same problem ? My symptoms aren't quite the same. When car is first started and I try to turn the steering wheel, it kinda catches or hicccups, like the assist kicks in and goes out, kinda chatters a little like anti-lock brakes. Once I'm moving at any speed it's just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 theflystyle From the 2004 FSM FRONT SIDE BELT (Power Steering and Alternator Belt) Install a V belt ©, and tighten the slider bolt so as to obtain the specified belt tensionTighten the lock bolt (A)Tighten the slider bolt (B)Tightening torque - Lock bolt (A): 25 N⋅m (2.5 kgf-m, 18.1 ft-lb REAR SIDE BELT (AC Compressor Belt) Install the belt tensionerInstall a V belt, and tighten the slider bolt (B) so as to obtain the specified belt tensionTightening torque - Lock nut (A): 23 N⋅m (2.3 kgf-m, 17.0 ft-lb) INSPECTION AND ADJUSTMENT Replace the belts, if cracks, fraying or wear is foundIf using a belt tension gauge, remove the V-belt cover and reservoir tankCheck the V-belt tension and adjust it if necessary by changing the generator installing position or idler pulley installing position A Belt tension (with belt tension gauge) When installing new parts: 618 — 755 N (63 — 77 kgf, 139 — 170 lb)At inspection:490 — 640 N (50.0 — 65.3 kgf, 110.2 — 143.9 lb) B Belt tension (with belt tension gauge) When installing new parts: 740 — 880 N (75.5 — 89.7 kgf, 166 — 198 lb)At inspection: 350 — 450 N (35.7 — 45.9 kgf, 78.7 — 101.2 A Belt tension (without belt tension gauge) When installing new parts: 7 — 9 mm (0.276 — 0.354 in)At inspection: 9 — 11 mm (0.354 — 0.433 in) B Belt tension (without belt tension gauge) When installing new parts: 7.5 — 8.5 mm (0.295 — 0.335 in)At inspection: 9.0 — 10.0 mm (0.354 — 0.394 in) - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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