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Right? I find it really odd that the truth is being deleted.

Why is my reply to brisvegas deleted? It addressed his post which was directed at me. Xrt is mentioned throughout this entire thread. Why are you cherry picking? Yep - I'm outta here. You can find my updates on Facebook Subaru International Tuning.

No, I have not. For me, I have no need or desire to try two tunes...... Even if customer service was on the same level.

My 2017 Legacy CVT with the latest tune from XRT just went 0-60 in 6.68 seconds..... with a ski box on top and a 1/2 tank of gas. I started in the mid 7s so I'm really pleased with where I'm at today. The CVT is the sharpest it's ever been and the car is flat out hauling serious ass. There's been some false information going around regarding XRT tunes and CVT transmissions. I can assure anyone who has been told or otherwise come across this information it is not true. I've been tuning with XRT as an experimental CVT car since late November. My car has done all sorts of weird stuff as a result of XRT experimental tunes and there is no damage to my CVT or any other part of my car. Anyone who has been influenced by false information should know the truth and make an educated decision. This business of lying to encourage others to use one tuner over the other is BS. Use who you like - be informed when you make your decision. I'll continue to post my updates as I have them.

Ditto.

I don't know what the total cost it. I think it depends on what kind of tune you want. He has a couple options last time I checked. A large benefit of tuning your ECU is drive-ability improvements. This can be custom tuned to your liking. For example (playing off your desire to pass but not draw attention) if you want to push the throttle 50% and stay between 3500-4500 until you let off it can be tuned that way. You'll get a good power bump too. If you want to go premium fuel you can bump the timing and get a bit more power. XRT has before and after graphs on his website. You should visit the site and review the info. I only used XRT, so I can only speak for my experience with him (Edward). Edward really makes it easy. He'll setup your computer remotely so you can get right to loading ROMS and logging. He'll hop on the phone and drive with you if trying to customize your tune and the logging or words can't get you what you want. I've had a couple cars tuned via the log/report method and it's hands down been the best thing I ever did to them modification wise. It would be the first thing I spent money on if I was looking for performance increase.

Deal.... I want this ....

Thanks Ed. You've been great. Cars running real nice and smooth. And, did I mention it's just a huge blast to drive?? Maybe I should remove my ski box and see how fast the car really is. Headers and high - flow cats on the way. Oh yes.... and some 5-40. :lol:

Those longer videos were made for XRT to evaluate. They were long and not very clear because they weren't made to show perfection. They were made to try and highlight some positive points and one area that still needs tweaked. They were made for the tuner. Power delivery from stop to WOT and slow roll to WOT is perfected. It's performing like I never thought it could. Video below to for viewing. A lot of the tuning work, as I mention above, has been getting the CVT to behave in different ways. Some may like a little more control of the trans via the pedal, while others may like a little less. I believe, for the ones that want a little less control, the tune for the 6th gen CVT is perfected and will only need to be tweaked per car/location etc. XRT can chime in on that. I like to have more control over my throttle. This doesn't equate to a 'jumpy' car. Please don't confuse it for that. Because I've kept mentioning this to Ed he came up with some test tunes and one of them really caught my attention. The behavior is perfect, total control of the CVT with the throttle. But there is still one tiny item that needs ironed out. Ed will get it figured out in no time and it's effect does not impact overall tweaking of the CVT control. Ed / XRT has been up twice all night on the phone with me perfecting my tune. He is very passionate about tuning and perfecting and this shows in his customer service. Here's some video that's shorter and really highlights what's been perfected in this venture. Notice how much faster v8a is vs. v7. WOT take offs - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phuMBWiwWoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phuMBWiwWoM[/ame] Mid To Top Optomized - This tune is good to go It has the WOT takeoff optimization in it. It only lacks a some better CVT control via the throttle. This is what I mentioned some may prefer. Less control vs. more control. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To3-Iq-zE74]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To3-Iq-zE74[/ame] Example of CVT control via throttle - This is several tunes after WOT takeoffs were perfected - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_jkyo-de6c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_jkyo-de6c[/ame]

For that kind of crazy driving wouldn't it be easier to flip over to manual mode and use the paddles? I'm trying to picture what you're saying but it seems counter-productive for an automatic. If the CVT is efficient for that type of driving it should drop gears/revs while on the brake and then come back to your desired power (gear) with working of the throttle. No ?

From what you're describing your take off in s# is how mine used to be in the earlier tunes. Jumpy. I've really been focusing a lot of my attention and feedback to Ed (XRT) on CVT drive ability and take offs/low speed WOT hits as opposed to overall power, which has been increasing also but to me as the customer doesn't seem like the challenge for tuning my car. Or in other words, for me and my habits, the tuning needs to be done in the areas we're discussing here (CVT optimization) more so than top end balls out power..... though it does all tie together in the end. My take off and low speed WOT hits have changed 110% and the best rom I've gotten has only a couple tiny hiccups on a WOT take off from stop. Here's how I can best describe it using an analogy (and the behavior is normal to other cars). When I go WOT from a stop or slow speed in auto the car will now act like a human blowing up a large balloon. Think of how you would blow up a balloon and that's exactly how my car is now behaving. Blowing up a large balloon I would take a deep breath, then release the air with fierce pressure until I had no air left. That's exactly what is happening now when I push WOT from stop or very slow speed. The car hesitates (in a good way) as if it's take a deep breath, the RPM needle shoots up and power is applied, for the most part, very smoothly. Again, a couple hiccups but they are very minor. The key here is that the car is taking WOT input and jamming that RPM needle into the power zone to be applied at take off. If that doesn't make sense I can try to clarify a bit more.

I just added a cat back exhaust and air filter, plus committed to using 92 octane fuel. Between that and XRT tuning I'm seeing some real good improvements. One rom back I got a .4 second increase in 0-60. I'm now on later rom, v6a, and without a doubt it is faster than the v6... so... I'm expecting an even faster 0-60 from the latest logs. XRT also has a lot of my CVT complaints dialed in. It's, upon my command, much more controllable vs. before optimization it was as is named - constant variable - always keeping the engine in efficiency mode. I can still keep the engine/cvt working efficiently without issue, but with the slight adjustment of the pedal the cvt becomes very predictable and controllable. Very easy to keep the car in power with little pedal work. Increments are about 500 rpms with little pedal down adjustments and it holds the rpms/power nicely vs. instantly dropping down gears taking the car out of power. Huge drive ability improvement. Huge! Some of the below info is the same as above, but this is what I posted in my thread over on XRT. There's charts with times over there too. http://www.xtremeracingtuning.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=691&p=2129#p2129 Happy to see these times, Ed. Good job! My butt dyno agrees. The v6a times have got to be better. If not, forget the times and just go with my butt dyno. LOL. The rom v6a feels much stronger in the 3rd gear pulls, and the there is a good improvement from a stopped WOT run (drag pull). The car is really flying in the top end in v6a vs. v6. Again, 3rd gear pulls are a huge improvement over just the last rom, v6! Pedal position is controlling where the CVT gearing is almost precisely now, where as before the CVT just had a mind of its own and would shift up to keep the engine in efficiency mode. Now I can still adjust pedal position for engine efficiency, but also adjust pedal position to hold the down shift for a good amount of time. It's the best of both worlds in regards to the CVT. It takes some of the VARIABLE out of constant variable, and gives some control to the driver. This is a huge drive ability improvement in my opinion. Every version is getting better. As I was typing this I just got a v7. :shock: :shock: :twisted: Will keep reporting back here as I have good updates.

Surmiser - how would you describe your launch from stoplights? How's the car behave if you WOT it from a stop?