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  1. I want to thank everyone who contributed to the feedback collection in this thread. I thought my choices were the 2021 Mazda CX-5 Signature or the 2021 Subaru Legacy Touring XT, but tonight I ended up purchasing neither. Got myself a terrific deal with an Acura. My Subaru salesperson was awesome and patient with me, letting me take the Subaru on many test drives to see and feel all the pain points others have experienced, as well as the ones I've noticed myself. I really had high hopes of coming back to the Subaru fold with the 13.74% discount off of MSRP I negotiated, but unfortunately the Acura deal I negotiated was insanely good that I went that way. Don't write me off just yet. I might pick up a used BRZ for autocross, which has been on my mind for several years now. Keep up the awesome contributions to this forum!
  2. Thanks for the information! When you said width, did you mean the green line I marked? If so, I think I'm okay with a shorter loading width. I used to carry 3 bike carriers on my Spec.B, but the older I got, the less I'm willing to deal with picking up too many people. So carrying 2 bikes is sufficient. Do the factory cross-bars have the channel/slot for X-Adapt (blue indicator)? All the Thule accessories' pictures on Subaru's website show a flush aluminum tube. I really appreciate your feedback. Your points of reference and deltas have given me a pretty good sense of what I ought to expect from the Gen 7 Legacy. Maybe the marketing name change to XT instead of GT is to get us consumers to change our expectations? ;-) I knew the hardware was made by Denso, and assumed the software was made by TomTom because of the Navigation. But I didn't know the system software was made by Blackberry. Eh, they're still around? The only more surprising thing would be if you had told me it was made by Palm. ROTFL TomTom's current navigation platform is Android based (I have their SatNav app on my phone, as well as a dedicated TomTom Rider 550), and I recognized it as soon as I first got into the Legacy. Even if Subaru/Denso can extend the Android Auto UI container height-wise, I'd still like to have two rectangular modules/sub-apps on top of each other, like any map app on top, and any audio app on the bottom. Or it doesn't even have to be within the same container, which I suspect is how Mazda implements theirs. Doh! Sounds like you had a big ticket warranty claim done! I'm glad the replacement has turned out good for you so far. How many miles did the Ascent make it to before the TR690 replacement? And... I'd like to know how you knew the extended warranty is only good for 1 transmission change. OMG! I cannot bare the thought of wearing new clothes that have not been washed first. LOL I'm still surprised that the Subaru press Legacy had stains. I'll bet it wasn't from real journalists, but probably "content creators" or "social media influencers." I'm glad you were able to test and verify it! Earlier in the evening I went for another test drive and specifically tried this workaround. Supposedly you can lock in the ratio and you can gently speed up/down while maintaining the same ratio. Sometimes it works with the rev not going within a range of 1,000 RPM up/down from the ratio when I engaged M mode, but sometimes it still revs up to 5,500 RPM and won't faux shift. I understand it's needed for a standing start or hurriedly passing. Or maybe I misunderstood others when they mentioned ratio locking. Again, I'm still new to driving a CVT. Throughout my test drives, I had RLLS (Restless Left Leg Syndrome). Thanks again, everyone, for your feedback. As always, it is greatly appreciated. With tonight's test drive, I have a couple new gripes to add: I'm one of those drivers who always turn the instrument brightness to the lowest possible setting when driving at night. (I never understood why there are drivers who like to see all the bright, beautiful colors from the cluster and dash in its 100% brightness, which is essentially making them drive blinder in the dark.) When the center touch screen brightness is set to automatically match the illumination brightness control, the TomTom navigation night mode makes it impossible to see any street names or street outlines (in North up, overall view). Even squinting didn't help. I had to either dial up the illumination brightness control in the lower left dash much higher (which blinds me with the bright instrument cluster), or I had to turn off the automatic match setting and get the touch screen's brightness to between -2 and 0. That is strange. If I keep that setting, as soon as I exit the TomTom map and let's say start up the in-car radio app, bam! I'm blinded by touch screen's brightness! It was really hard to deal with, and I can't imagine constantly changing the brightness per app. [Example below is a little bit inaccurate, because as soon as I turn on the headlights and TomTom switches to night mode, my camera was pretty quick to adjust the f-stop and ISO very quickly. It's a lot darker in real life. I suspect this may be a TomTom issue. Not sure if this behavior is true for either Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, or just the latter, but if you have the USB connected and Android Auto engaged, going to Subaru's own Phonebook won't bring up your contacts in the Subaru system with large big fonts and filling out the big screen. Instead, it launches the Contacts submodule inside the boxed-in rectangle of Android Auto. Which has small fonts, and display a listing of 3 contacts per scroll. I don't suspect this is an issue with Apple CarPlay if the overall Apple CarPlay UI container is stretched, but this can't possibly be safe? This is quite an interesting one, as it is inconsistent. Let's say I start the Legacy up, and then I set my music to Subaru's built-in Sirius XM. Audio is fine. As soon as I plug in the USB to my phone, the built-in Sirius XM audio level is lowered and faded into background, even though I have no music from my phone that's playing. You know how sometimes when Google Maps announce a navigation step, and your car's other audio is lowered? Like that. I couldn't figure out what was causing this issue, so as soon as I unplug the phone, the built-in music level returns. So I tried shutting down the Legacy, and restarted it. I could never reproduce this problem. Anyone else experience this before?
  3. The accelerator/throttle/pedal lag seems to be common, but I didn't experience it during test drives. I heard or read somewhere that putting the transmission in Manual mode alleviates this. Can you or anyone else comment on this "band-aid" solution? During my test drives while playing with Manual mode, I was actively using the steering wheel shift paddles. I didn't read about the "band-aid" solution till after my test drives. If I engage in Manual mode and I don't touch the shift paddles, will it "upshift" or change the ratio automatically when it hits the redline, or will I be stuck in that redlined ratio? (Or I can go back for a third test drive.) I agree. I feel like anything touchscreen takes more mental distraction time than a physical button. I didn't want to perform too many common activities while test driving and risk getting into an accident, so all of my infotainment experiences were stationary at the dealer. My biggest gripe here is with Subaru's implementation of the Android Auto. The infotainment forces it to be in a small rectangle space, and leaves empty real estate below it unused. I've read, as well as the saleslady telling me, that Google did not approve Subaru to use portrait mode or expand usage. So I'm forced to use one module/app within that rectangular box, but why can't the music app take the lower void, or place the music meta data into the space above the Android Auto rectangle and the fixed temp/time bar? If Google won't let Subaru display additional module/app in other spaces, then I wonder how Mazda is able to put my Android Auto's secondary app SiriusXM into their extra real estate. Nooooo! LOL I hate noises. Maybe I had not gone to enough metal concerts in high school and college to lose my high frequency hearing like most adults, but even with my 2012 TL, which is super quiet, only I can hear a tiny rattling somewhere in the seat belt height adjuster and headliner area. If I push in and hold it while driving, the sound goes away. Stuff like this drives me bonkers. Did you ever get this looked at? I wonder if there are others with similar complaint. That's awesome! 9 years with my TL, I still love the look. Even while test driving, I felt a sense of loss when I see other 2012+ TLs on the road. I don't want to regret buying gen 7 Legacy. Nice wheels, by the way. =) Glad to hear! Do you get the feeling that the steering was not as sharp, or there were some delay between your steering input to the car following? What I thought after my first test drive as too much body roll was later on thinking maybe it is a combination of body roll plus delayed steering feedback that mentally exacerbated the perception of lots of body roll. A third test drive is needed. After test driving the Mazda CX-5, I fell in love with how it drives. Not too far off from my 2012 Acura TL and 2008 Spec.B in terms of control, sharp steering, and feeling of well planted and connected to the road. But I still want to give the Legacy some chances before committing, because a) 0% financing, and b) amount of discount Subaru is giving (Mazda won't pair 0.9% financing with MFR to dealer incentives). So I've got some additional questions for y'all gen 7 owners: My research shows that there are CVT issues that Subaru won't admit fault on, yet Subaru extended the warranty on certain year and models with CVT. Here's the kicker: The TR690 in the gen 7 Legacy 2.4 turbo is the same one used in the gen 6 Legacy/Outback 3.6 that was included in the extended warranty. As a newcomer to CVT and reading the TSB and multiple complaints, am I wrong to hesitate and worry about getting this gen 7 Legacy? Did anyone install a trailer hitch and wiring harness? The Legacy doesn't have the plug-n-play trailer wiring in the rear like the Outback. Just wondering how you routed the wiring to the battery, and if Subaru service department have given you grief over it. And pics of your trailer hitch will be appreciated. (FYI: My use case is to trailer a motorcycle to the track with a lightweight motorcycle trailer.) I saw a review where the press car with only ~4,000 miles had denim stains on the Nappa leather already. How much TLC does the tan Nappa leather need? If you have the factory cross-bars, do you know what type of bars is it? Rapid Aero, AeroBlade, or the current WingBar Evo? (Dealers I went to so far don't have one on display for me to inspect.) Thanks so much for the feedback!
  4. Happy new year! I echo bms231's assessment that this thread has been super helpful. Anyone miss me in the past 9 years? Unfortunately, the 2012 Acura TL MT that replaced my 2008 Spec.B is no more. I had hoped I would drive the TL to the ground and make it last 15 or 20 years. T-T Seeing how the 2021 Acura TLX Type S won't arrive till summer and out of my price range anyway, I am now forced into buying another vehicle. I've narrowed my choices down to the 2021 Mazda CX-5 Signature and 2021 Subaru Legacy Touring XT. (Both have similar MSRP, turbo-4, AWD; save for the vehicle type.) I had high hopes for the Touring XT, until I test drove it. After coming off of 14 years driving a Spec.B and the TL, the gen 7 felt like it had too much body roll. That instantly put the CX-5 on the top of the list. But the deal I've worked out on the Subaru is insanely good! Before pulling the trigger, I decided to log back in to legacygt.com. So here we are. I've read most of the threads, and I'm slightly concerned. What advice or additional thoughts can you provide? One of my biggest regrets was selling my Spec.B. That was supposed to be the vehicle I was going to drive to the ground, but that annoying rattle in the dash drove me insane. That was the primary reason for my selling it. And to read that random noises are still a thing on gen 7 may not bode well (door panel/speaker, vent director under glove box, noise from the rear). So what say you? I would like to be a Subaru owner for the 3rd time around, but honest feedback of your praises and gripes on this gen 7 is greatly appreciated. [speaking of regrets... Learning Subaru was swapping out that improper sized plastic plug in the firewall while performing the airbag recall made me question why I sold my Spec.B even more. LOL]
  5. Question... We all know that 2006 Spec.B's are numbered, and only 500 were produced for the US. Later year Spec.B's were not numbered, but I wanted to know how rare are the Spec.B's for each year. Is it also 500 for 2007? 500 for 2008 (and how many in silver and how many in traditional gray)? I'm looking for statistical information to determine the rarity of Spec.B's above 2006. Thanks!!! =)
  6. Hallelujah! ;-) After having my GT for 6 months now, I have finally figured out what the crazy rattling noise I hear at head level. Apparently, if you don't have a passenger with you in the car, the source of the rattling is the freaking seatbelt clip/buckle hitting against the plastic molding in the B pillar!!! That explains why every time I have a Subaru engineer in the car to show them the noise, it mysteriously disappears! So now I'm used to buckling the passenger seat belt even if nobody is sitting there. How stupid is that? I started looking at other cars to see if this problem exists, and most other cars, including the cheap Toyota Corolla, has a little plastic knob in the seat belt that will keep the clip/buckle sitting lower in the B pillar so that it isn't hitting hard plastic but softer material lower. And a few other nice cars have softer rubbery feel to the clip/buckle's exterior that it doesn't make a terrible noise. Sigh... But thanks for those of you who suggested!!! =)
  7. The rattle I'm hearing is further away from the handbrake, and is coming from either the same level or above my head. And I'm pretty sure the noise is coming from the passenger compartment, but where specifically is what I've been battling. I had no clue the LGT has a coin tray... I'll doublecheck my handbrake and coin tray tonight... Thanks!
  8. I'm not sure if this is the same rattle or not, but on Saturday, I bought a new 2008 Legacy GT. I didn't notice it until I started driving home from the dealership, but there is this annoying rattle everytime I accelerate from a standstill, and every time I hit a bump on the road. I thought it was the visors, mirror, or the sliding cover for the moonroof. But none of them were the cause. The rattle is slightly higher in pitch than the sound of the suspensions when you hit a bump on the road. And it rattles maybe 3 to 5 times before it goes away. It is driving me insane, especially when I'm not even hitting any bumps on the road and just accelerating from a standstill. It sounds like it is coming from above me, but I can't tell every time I try to locate it. Is this the same? If not, can someone please let me know what this annoying rattle I'm experiencing is?
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