Triple Digits Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 This is the ‘Goldilocks’ of suspensions for the LGT, not too hard, not too soft, in fact, it’s just right. Okay, just right if you don’t plan on tracking the car enough to justify coilovers, and you don’t want to look ‘slammed’. But if you drive on real roads, if you anticipate four season usage, if you’d like your LGT’s stance to change from 330xi to 330ci, if you want to go through rough roads faster than RX8 (yes, I checked), if you want to feel more connected than a stock M5 or S4 (yes, I checked – both 03 mys), and still preserve the good things about the stock ride characteristics while correcting all the nasty stuff, then these are it. These are smoother, more compliant, better riding, and allow me to carry more speed through a corner than my H&R/Koni equipped A4 did – at significantly less cost. Breaking, acceleration, turn-in, weight transition, overall adhesion, predictability are all just as good as you’d expect from a dialed-in setup – what’s truly remarkable (beyond the amount of speed you can carry with poise and control through a corner) is that it does it with a better ride than stock. In fact, there was only one thing that I found that a stock suspension handled better – there’s a new housing development nearby where they don’t have the final coat on the road yet so all the driveways have like a 2”+ drop – if you crawl over that lip you are going to hear a lot more dull thud than the stock setup – I can deal with that… I was amazed how well these work with the stock struts, both bound and rebound felt better matched than with the stock springs. I went out looking for trouble too – dragging single wheels through storm drains, dropped manhole covers… don’t think I caught air, but I sure did ‘significantly un-weight’ it – this even passed my 30, 40, & 50 mph railroad track grade crossing tests. My 3 & 5 year-old still fall asleep in the back, the wife approves, and I don’t think this’ll need a rear sway after all. I run 38 pounds front and 36 pounds rear (cold) and had the same guys who set-up my A4 suspension hook me up with a nice alignment. Stock measurements from the top of the stock rim to the fender: 5 & 5/8” Front, 5 & 3/4” Rear Three days after installation measurements were – 4 ½” Front, 4 ¾” Rear (It took a couple days for them to really settle in, but that was expected so I didn’t freak when they looked kinda nasty right after they went on.) As advertised – Lowering is 30mm (1.18" front) and 25mm (1" rear). The fronts are progressive, while the rears are linear rates. Spring rates are as follows: *for 5MT LGT Sedan, rates for wagon and 2.5i as well as 5MT vs auto are different.* Front: @1" compression: 40N/mm, @2" compression: 52N/mm Rear: (linear) 67N/mm Don’t let iON’s half-baked website put you off, these are quality. I think they are the perfect street setup and perfectly compliment Cobb Stage 2. Now I can finally think about wheels and tires!!! http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9239 http://www.ionperformance.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief_Wiggum Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Big thanks for the detailed write up. The drop looks perfect and the rates sound great too. What's the deal with the progressive fronts/linear rears? Any real issues with setting up the springs that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallispec Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 I just installed these springs yesterday and still need to give them some time to settle === but so far i agree with Triple Digits write up 100% these are excellent springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrasher Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 3D-thanks for the write-up. I hate to say it in front of a bunch of performance freaks, but I prefer a ride on the softer side. I am usually commuting, not racing. Believe it or not, if a Lincoln Continental had awd, it would have been in the running for car choice (heresy). Your car looks, in a word, "right". The lowering hasn't left it slammed-looking; just, well, right. The wheels even seem to look better. I'm going to be running the jdm sway-bar along w/the yellows; hope it doesn't make it too aggressive for me. Jack seems to be onto something good running the progressive and linear front and back at the rates he chose. The yellows were purpose-designed for the stock usdm struts; reports like yours confirm that they work well. teh hotnz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gire Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Triple Digits-Your write up has prompted me to PM iON Performance. Their springs look 'just right' for me.Plus they are a Canadian vendor which is great. The swifts just appear too low and the Pinks don't seem to be right for me- these iON's do seem right. Thanks for the great review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansGT Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Triple Digits- Your write up has prompted me to PM iON Performance. Their springs look 'just right' for me. Plus they are a Canadian vendor which is great. The swifts just appear too low and the Pinks don't seem to be right for me- these iON's do seem right. Thanks for the great review! Please check out my thread on these springs. There is the potential for another group buy discount. http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15529 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gire Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Han's Thanks for the link, but I live in BC, just one province away from iON in Alberta, and would be buying them in CAN currency and not bothering to pay any big cross-border duty. I hope that in doing so, I will come out a bit better on the cost. But we'll see... Hopefully you get a big response from the US forum members. Best of luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisn2me2 Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY........... i have had these since APRIL the ride is awesome!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeracer Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 I need to get a test ride in someones car before I consider these. "Gimme mines Balboa...Gimme mines".....Clubber Lang - Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADON Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Thanks for the write-up/review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansGT Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 I need to get a test ride in someones car before I consider these. How about "lisn2me2"? Seems he's on Long Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim1969 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Thrasher is getting his put in soon too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallispec Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 well after 2 full days of riding on them and letting them settle some, let me just say how much better they have made my car feel. aside from what triple digits said, which i agree with 100%, let me add one more point -- If you are still running on stock tires (like me) you will be able to corner harder and faster than you ever thought possible on the re-92's without even getting the tires to screech. I can't wait to get out to the next auto-x event and see the improvement. Already though, i've been able to handle like i never thought i could before... I thik i'll actually be content letting my stock tires wear out before replacing them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutter2k Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 re: rallispec, Okay I'am in. Curious what other handling mods you have on your car already. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 well after 2 full days of riding on them and letting them settle some, let me just say how much better they have made my car feel. aside from what triple digits said, which i agree with 100%, let me add one more point -- If you are still running on stock tires (like me) you will be able to corner harder and faster than you ever thought possible on the re-92's without even getting the tires to screech. I can't wait to get out to the next auto-x event and see the improvement. Already though, i've been able to handle like i never thought i could before... I thik i'll actually be content letting my stock tires wear out before replacing them now. Sweet! I cant wait to install mine, hopefully early next week!!11!1 Hey Ralli did your car settle any more after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallispec Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 re: rallispec, Okay I'am in. Curious what other handling mods you have on your car already. Matt JDM rear sway bar and thats it... however its effect on the car is hardly noticeable at all, except on very hard cornerning. (the kind of cornering that gets your outside tires to lift off the ground) If i were to do it over again i wouldnt have even bothered with a sway bar and just got the springs. deimos, Yes the car has settled a bit more now -- It doesnt look like it's lowered that much more -- but the gap's in the front and rear seem much more even now. My roomate has a 350z (stock) and the legacy still sits higher than his car. I'd really only be concerned about any kind of rubbing if I had the STi lip spoiler. Prior to any mods, i was a firm beleiver that the Potenza's were a huge weak link in getting the power to the pavement. Not only would the tires screech and howl at the auto-x events, But even just taking hard corners on the street, (especially on-ramps and off-ramps) I could consistently get my tires to reach their limit, start howling, and feel the car start to loose grip and understeer. The JDM rear sway fixed the understeer problem. However the tires still howled if I took an onramp too fast and I would know I was at my limit. Well over the past two days I’ve attempted to take this on ramp to the point of getting my tires to screech and have not yet succeeded. And I’m taking it at least 10mph faster than before. I suppose this is in large part due to my lower center of gravity now, and being able to keep the car level and have more tires planted to the road getting better traction. There is a big empty lot down the road from me—I’m gong to go play around on my lunch brake and see what I can get out of my car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iON Performance Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 rallispec - You got your alignment done right? Otherwise if you don't, we highly suggest you do that before trying anymore highspeed manuvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallispec Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 rallispec - You got your alignment done right? Otherwise if you don't, we highly suggest you do that before trying anymore highspeed manuvers. haha.. okay mother... but it's just so much fun.. actually have it scheduled for tomorrow.... okay well i'll hold off on to high speed parking lot extravaganza until after then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeracer Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 How about "lisn2me2"? Seems he's on Long Island. Perhap...maybe i'll come out to one of the NY meets. "Gimme mines Balboa...Gimme mines".....Clubber Lang - Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Digits Posted July 19, 2005 Author Share Posted July 19, 2005 Perhap...maybe i'll come out to one of the NY meets. Or just maybe you might be able to track me down by following the sound of my Lachutes echoing through the streets of B-port and Stratford http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=232077&postcount=1 http://www.pimpmyauto.com/media_lachute.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGT Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 actually have it scheduled for tomorrow.... okay well i'll hold off on to high speed parking lot extravaganza until after then . I'd be interested to know what the 'before' and 'after' specs are on the alignment. Hopefully, marking the camber bolts does make a difference for those of us who need to cheat for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris112 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Does anyone have a price for these springs? I didnt see a price on the website or this post.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iON Performance Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Chris112 - Han's GT is organiazing another GB, please check the following link for info-> http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15529 The 10 person GB price is $330US+shipping for payment via Intl MO, CC via Paypal subject to 5% equalization charge. [FYI $389US+shipping is normally the LGT.com member discounted price] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrasher Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Ridgeracer- dropped my car off at MSPT today; if Dave and the boyz get it all done by Saturday, my car and self will be at Sunday's NY meet. You can check out the rig on the yellows ya'self, but because the car is still settling and awaiting alignment, I won't really be, ahh, thrashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedd Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 well after 2 full days of riding on them and letting them settle some, let me just say how much better they have made my car feel. aside from what triple digits said, which i agree with 100%, let me add one more point -- If you are still running on stock tires (like me) you will be able to corner harder and faster than you ever thought possible on the re-92's without even getting the tires to screech. I can't wait to get out to the next auto-x event and see the improvement. Already though, i've been able to handle like i never thought i could before... I thik i'll actually be content letting my stock tires wear out before replacing them now. My Wife thinks the car rides better! Bump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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