quader94 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I think my alternator went. My car wouldnt start yesterday so I had to get a jump to get home. When I got home I measured my battery. It was at like 12.8volts idle then dropping. When revved it would go up but go right back down. When the engine is off its like 10 volts. Shouldnt it stock be like 14 volts, can anyone give me the specs of idling volt, off volt, and rev volt? Should I buy an subaru alternator or one from a store like napa? I also didnt get a light on my dash for a bad alternator, any idea why? Would a bad alternator relate to it stalling while idling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated broknindarkagain Posted December 17, 2010 I Donated Share Posted December 17, 2010 The after market alternators do just fine in my experience. Sounds like you're running into a bad alternator though. You should be at 13 to 14 volts on the battery while you're car is running. It should NEVER go down to 10 volts. There isn't enough of a change in voltage when you're reving and at idle to really make a difference on a properly working alternator. My best guess is the brushes inside it are worn out. Just go buy yourself a new one and try and charge your battery. -broknindarkagain My Current Project - Click Here COME AND TAKE IT "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivwarrior Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Get the battery tested first. Dropping to 10V right after car is shut off sounds like a battery with a dead cell. EDIT: Oh, and if you need an alternator, check prices at your local dealer. When I had a 97 outback and needed one for it, a Subaru alternator was cheaper than aftermarket, and even cheaper than having a local alternator shop rebuild the one I already had........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated broknindarkagain Posted December 17, 2010 I Donated Share Posted December 17, 2010 Battery should be about 12.8 volts while the car is off. While the car is running, it should be about 14 volts at the battery. If its running and its lower then 13 or 14, then you have a bad alternator -broknindarkagain My Current Project - Click Here COME AND TAKE IT "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subikid90 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 You may have free alternator sitting at the dealership thanks to SOA lol. Check on my.subaru.com to see if it has been replaced before. -Subikid90 1997 Legacy GT 5spd & EJ251 w/EJ25D heads ~10.5CR 1998 Legacy GT Limited waiting for EJ22T hybrid swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnumber19 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 In my experience 95% of the time that alternators go bad the brushes inside have just worn out, its a pretty straight forward job if you have a decent mechanical know how. My last two bad alternators cost me $5 and $7 each to fix (86 Honda CRX, 85 Toyota Celica Supra), brushes are crazy cheap, and designed to wear. As far as not getting the dash light, thats a pretty weird one, I've always had it come on in cars when the alternator was going out. You should take your car into Advance or Autozone and have them test the alternator (alternatively you can just bring them the alternator in hand if the car is not running). I second the notion of the bad cell in the battery. I used to work at a bike shop on electric bike components and batteries were the bane of my existence. The car would definitely not start if the battery is going bad as it wouldn't have the ability to supply sufficient amperage to the motor. When you pull a large load off the battery the voltage will drop, and if its a weak battery it will drop significantly. Have you tried testing the voltage while your trying to start the car? I would expect if its bad a voltage drop well below 10 would show up. A bad alternator would drain the battery, but shouldn't cause a no-start condition. I've driven (very literally) over 50 miles with a completely tanked alternator and the car was still trucking along. Final Edit: If you jumped the car and then drove it home, I really wouldn't expect the alternator to be bad. If your battery was tanked and the alternator was dead too, you shouldn't have gotten far once you unhooked from the jumping car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quader94 Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 So I went and bought an alternator then replaced it. Before I started the car i tested the battery and it said 12.1volts and when it was running it was consistently 11.80 volts even when running. Do I have a bad new alternator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quader94 Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 It went back up to 12+ volts when I shut the car off ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddog Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Couldn't your battery be warn down some and the alternator hasn't fully charged it back up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated broknindarkagain Posted December 20, 2010 I Donated Share Posted December 20, 2010 Couldn't your battery be warn down some and the alternator hasn't fully charged it back up? regardless of bad battery or not, you should still read about 14v at the terminals while the car is running. I'm starting to think you either got a bad alternator or you have some other kind of wiring issue going on. Check your chassis ground sand make sure they have good contact and they are not all rusted out. -broknindarkagain My Current Project - Click Here COME AND TAKE IT "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddog Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Check your fusible link in your fusebox (if you have one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quader94 Posted December 20, 2010 Author Share Posted December 20, 2010 I read something that came with the alternator that you need a 15 min break in period of atleast 2k rpms before checking if the alternator is bad. Went on a local drive for 15 minutes and came back and the volts are at 14 finally thanks everyone for their input Now on too the next problems, the IAC making my car die at idle and tires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated broknindarkagain Posted December 20, 2010 I Donated Share Posted December 20, 2010 you can solve your tire problem by getting new tires! haha I've never heard of the 15 minute thing before. Thats kind of weird. At least everything is working out ok for you now. Give the new alternator a chance to recharge the battery, then test the battery. You should be about 12.8v with the car off. -broknindarkagain My Current Project - Click Here COME AND TAKE IT "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnumber19 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 IF the battery is dead or weak, it could end up killing your alternator. If it won't take a full charge the alternator will run constantly in an attempt to charge the battery. Get the battery tested, its free, and gives you peace of mine if nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated broknindarkagain Posted December 20, 2010 I Donated Share Posted December 20, 2010 IF the battery is dead or weak, it could end up killing your alternator. If it won't take a full charge the alternator will run constantly in an attempt to charge the battery. Get the battery tested, its free, and gives you peace of mine if nothing else the alternator runs constantly anyways to provide power to the electricals of the car (ignition, ecu, lights, radio, etc).... -broknindarkagain My Current Project - Click Here COME AND TAKE IT "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quader94 Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 I did some testing on the car but then ended up bringing it into the shop some of the things- car wouldnt start but start in neutral gauges died battery and brake light came on abs came on sometimes stalled I only drove around my neighborhood incase it stalled so I could push it home if I had to lol then I made it back home, tested the battery 12volts. tested when it was on 11 something. turned the car off. wouldnt turn back on.... So i disconnect the battery and put it back on and it starts up no problem? After all that I was so confused I brought it to the shop turns out, its a wire off the postive terminal of the battery. it gave the wrong voltage to the alternator frying the alternator and battery. and my battery was 7 years old, had a crack, and was leaking in my engine bay I suggest everyone checking the year of the battery. Up to this point, after paying for tires Ive payed almost as much in repairs as I payed for the car. I've only driven it 3k since ive owned it.......pretty dissappointed in the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated broknindarkagain Posted December 22, 2010 I Donated Share Posted December 22, 2010 regardless of bad battery or not, you should still read about 14v at the terminals while the car is running. I'm starting to think you either got a bad alternator or you have some other kind of wiring issue going on. Looks like "some other wiring issues" nailed it. I'm glad you got things worked out. Someone probably tried to change over the terminal ends on the battery at some point and didn't do it right. Can't get mad at the car for tires. Thats kind of an expected expense when you own a vehicle. However, I don't blame you for being upset about the electrical troubles you've had. Now that you have the little quirks worked out, you should be good to go for quite awhile. These cars are known to do 300K+ -broknindarkagain My Current Project - Click Here COME AND TAKE IT "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnegg Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 IF the battery is dead or weak, it could end up killing your alternator. If it won't take a full charge the alternator will run constantly in an attempt to charge the battery some alt facts. the alt spins all the time when the engine is running. DUH!! it makes the electricity that the car needs, as much as it needs.(or at least it is supposed to if it is in good working order.) with a good battery and everything off it makes enough to spark the engine. turn on the heater fan, it makes more. tunr on the head lights, it makes more. turn on your super stereo with ear drum splitting sound, it makes more. have a discharged battery it makes more until it is charged back up. have a battery with a bad cell it makes more, ALL THE TIME, if the battery is never fully charged. the alt will make as much juice as is needed as long as it is needed up to it's max amp output. so a bad battery can hurt it or shorten its life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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