05sleeper Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hey guys I drive a 2005 lgt and almost done with my build just need to get a couple more parts. I've got lots of suspension and mounts and bushings etc etc. I already have a perrin tmic but I'm starting to think its going to be my limitation/restriction to the goal I'm trying to achieve. I'm wanting to break 400awtq or get pretty close to it. I made 274hp 327tq on this set up on a mustang dyno with a cracked up pipe and leaking bpv: Stock block and heads pnp'd headers with Grimmspeed high flow crossover pipe perrin catless up pipe stock vf40 at 19psi cnt catless downpipe fms cat back cobb short ram intake 3" perrin inlet perrin tmic with perrin bpv 100% recirc grimmspeed 3 port ebcs crawford AOS tgv deletes perrin side feed fuel rails stock injectors fuel lab afpr DW65c fuel pump stage 1 exedy clutch with lwfw. This is all the new stuff I have and/or *need to get to try to break this goal: ej257 block bored 20 over with manley platinum series pistons with upgraded wrist pins. manley h beam rods with arp rod bolts 2013 heat treated sti crank king performace bearings arp head studs killer bee pick up tube and windage tray comp stage 3 clutch with lwfw (on its way) supertech nitrited intake valves and inconel exhaust valves standard size 3 angle valve job and possibly some pnp supertech dual valve spring set up and titanium retainers gsc s1 cams (264in, 262ex) *Need to order bnr 20g at 23-25psi *Need to order complete infamous performance oil line kit with filter DW 850cc injectors I'm also going to be doing all the necessary maintanence at this time gates timing belt water pump oil pump to be safe (car has 139xxx miles) tearing apart trans to replace syncros and check everything out and clearances. I may be forgetting some things I've got a lot done and going on but hopefully you guys stuck through all that info and can answer my question now haha. Will the tmic be sufficient or will it most likely keep me from reaching my goal and I should go fmic? I will still be on pump gas as e85 is not very available by me and I drive 60 mile round trip to work at least 2-3 days a week (car pooling is awesome haha). Thanks for your help and input. I've searched and I'm sure it would help but just thought I would throw this out there to get some feedback on peoples thoughts with my set up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot4hire Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I think and keep in mind I am a moron that a tmic will be a bottle neck with what your planning. If your getting the turbo from infamous ask them they will give you the best answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob-2 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Talk to tuner. Thought tmic was good till 400 hp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05sleeper Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 Ok thanks for the replies, I'll shoot a message to the runner to see what he thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWebb Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 A 20g will need WI/Meth for a TMIC -or- a FMIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05sleeper Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2013 Looking into water/Meth injection now. I know how the system works but I've never messed with installing something like this and wiring kinda makes me nervous with these kits. Would it be smart to get a protune with and without Meth injection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Is this a DD ? if so IMO stay away from water/meth, not worth the weekly hassle IMO. the 20g with your set up and a fmic will be nice. I think bigger injectors and may be even a better turbo then a 20g would be in order for all the other things your paying for. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strizzy Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Id1000's and E85. My bad luck build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob-2 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Id1000's and E85. He said e85 isn't regularly available for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05sleeper Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2013 Yea e85 is a little scarce over here and it is my dd so keeping it on pump. And yea the more I think about it the more I feel like I'm going to have to go fmic. I know I can handle a bigger turbo I'm just not sure I want to push my curve father to the right, I want very nice torque early. And I already got the infamous performance oil line kit, is that compatible with other aftermarket turbos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strizzy Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Well, if he ends up going FMIC, then he can get any stock location STI style turbo. A 20g on pump gas won't make 400wtq, unless the dyno operator messes with the corrections enough to make the owner happy. If E85 or a larger turbo aren't an option, then WI/meth is his best bet. My bad luck build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWebb Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Is this a DD ? if so IMO stay away from water/meth, not worth the weekly hassle IMO. the 20g with your set up and a fmic will be nice. I think bigger injectors and may be even a better turbo then a 20g would be in order for all the other things your paying for. You post a lot and link your engine build a lot and the community appreciates your hard work OP: 90k miles on my 20g, TMIC + WI setup no issues. I could drive this car cross country tomorrow without question Also 850 are plenty big. IBihavnetblownmyenginelikemax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strizzy Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 IBihavnetblownmyenginelikemax What about your turbo? My bad luck build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
04caliwrx Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 in my many builds with my sti I have found that with a stock vf series turbo a upgraded TMIC is better. Im pushing 500whp on my sti right now and have a turbo xs fmic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWebb Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 What about your turbo? That was maintenance rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strizzy Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 That was maintenance rebuild Is that what you tell yourself every morning as you're sipping on your venti Starbucks coffee? My bad luck build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWebb Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 This thread boils down to a few things. - 850 are plenty big - A 20g at 23-25psi is too much for a TMIC it will start to pull timing around 18psi - A 20g is plenty of fun to drive, good around town power and more then enough to pass on the HW. - With a good tune you can drive this setup for a many a mile - Yes a FMIC will work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 400wtq = goodbye to the 5mt/r160 rear diff IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05sleeper Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2013 This thread boils down to a few things. - 850 are plenty big - A 20g at 23-25psi is too much for a TMIC it will start to pull timing around 18psi - A 20g is plenty of fun to drive, good around town power and more then enough to pass on the HW. - With a good tune you can drive this setup for a many a mile - Yes a FMIC will work FMIC it is. And if the 20g doesn't get me that goal then oh well its still a DD so when I get another car to DD I can push that goal even farther on the leggy. And yes transmission would concern me yet I see others with stock trans pushing more that are perfectly fine and some that push much less that explode. I don't track, auto x, drag the car and don't launch and will not launch the car just like the raw power when want to drop a gear on the highway or the occasional windy hilly road cruise so I'm hoping with my habits the trans will be fine for a while. I am tearing it down and re doing syncros and bearings just can't afford gear sets with other things going on right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTuner Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 It's always worth it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWebb Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 FMIC it is. And if the 20g doesn't get me that goal then oh well its still a DD so when I get another car to DD I can push that goal even farther on the leggy. And yes transmission would concern me yet I see others with stock trans pushing more that are perfectly fine and some that push much less that explode. I don't track, auto x, drag the car and don't launch and will not launch the car just like the raw power when want to drop a gear on the highway or the occasional windy hilly road cruise so I'm hoping with my habits the trans will be fine for a while. I am tearing it down and re doing syncros and bearings just can't afford gear sets with other things going on right now. The key to long life in the trans with a 20g is changing the gear oil ever 10k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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