Vsick Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I am thinking about going stage2 soon, but haven't decided on whether or not i want to go with a catted DP or catless DP yet. I am keeping my stock cans. Also suggesstions on a DP would be greatly appreciated as well. i already bought a STI up. My only deciding factor is whether or not it will pass the sniffer when i have to get a smog check. looking for opinions from fellow californians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 sniffer for us is nothing. load the cobb econo map in the parking lot and u should be fine. theres no dyno test for awd cars "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJ60 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Do they do a visual for cats? [FONT=Comic Sans MS][B][I]"Sweep the leg!" - Sensei Kreese, Karate Kid [/I][/B][/FONT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Do they do a visual for cats? probably. sti upipe is an OE part tho they wouldnt notice that. and if ur car is lowered enough the mmay skip looking under it =p "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSix Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I have "heard" that aftermarket uppipes (even cobb or whatever) get missed during inspection. I'd like to hear any personal experiences on that. I'll have to swap out my cobb DP before inspection though. Oh, most aftermarket catted DP's still drop one of the two cat's, FYI. Give a man a beer, and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew, and he'll waste a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsick Posted April 22, 2008 Author Share Posted April 22, 2008 Yep....still curious if anyone has passed with catless. Someone posted on the socal forums passing at stage2 with a catted DP. wondering what I can expect with catless, since there is a significant cost savings as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nm Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 FYI, its after 5 model years. LGTs won't need SMOG until 2011, even if purchased in 2004. 2002s just started getting tested in 2008 I did get a SMOG check to register my LGT in CA, and they definitly looked at my downpipe (though it was stock). I'd imagine an STI uppipe would be ok. AVO now makes a CARB legal downpipe, so that would be a recommendation for those wanting to go stage 2 now. However, I've heard of stage 2 catted passing without an issue, you just need a "friendly" or lazy station. Uncatted? They'll most likely catch that. Note that some stations allow you to "pre-test" and see what your sniffer results are without telling CARB. Oh and for catless. Cops know what that smells like now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Oh, most aftermarket catted DP's still drop one of the two cat's, FYI. the # of cats doesnt matter, in CA if any of the OE emissions control equipment is modified its illegal. "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nm Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 the # of cats doesnt matter, in CA if any of the OE emissions control equipment is modified its illegal. Unless its a CARB legal mod. And now that there's a CARB legal downpipe 9which only has one cat), stg2 without SMOG worries are here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Unless its a CARB legal mod. And now that there's a CARB legal downpipe 9which only has one cat), stg2 without SMOG worries are here links to carb legal dp? i call shenanigans. "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Unless its a CARB legal mod. And now that there's a CARB legal downpipe 9which only has one cat), stg2 without SMOG worries are here CVC 27156 © No person shall install, sell, offer for sale, or advertiseany device, apparatus, or mechanism intended for use with, or as apart of, a required motor vehicle pollution control device or systemthat alters or modifies the original design or performance of themotor vehicle pollution control device or system. "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nm Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 links to carb legal dp? i call shenanigans. http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop/product_info.php?cPath=1_58_3_8&products_id=242 And a CARB legal product isn't considered to "alter or modify the original design or performance of the motor vehicle pollution control device or system." "To ensure that these systems operate as designed, California Vehicle Code Section 27156 and the Federal Clean Air Act prohibit modifications that increase motor vehicle emissions. Since if properly designed, most performance modifications do not increase vehicle emissions, these same laws also allow the installation of parts or modifications proven by their manufacturers and the ARB not to increase vehicle emissions." http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/aftermkt.htm I've contacted AVO to get the EO number for the part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 im still skeptical, i checked the ARB database for parts approved for use on a subaru and theres none listed "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Referee/Judge You are correct, this is not the same as a fully legal DP. You are taking your chances in CA. Right now, approval on the cat only is all we have. Sean S. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50036 only the cat is carb legal. that doesnt make the DP legal since it is still modifying the factory design and isnt intended to eb an OE replacement "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBad Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50036 only the cat is carb legal. that doesnt make the DP legal since it is still modifying the factory design and isnt intended to eb an OE replacement +1. You roll the dice when you make a swap. You may pass and you may not depending on where you go and who you have to deal with. No guarantees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nm Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50036 only the cat is carb legal. that doesnt make the DP legal since it is still modifying the factory design and isnt intended to eb an OE replacement Thats ******* bullcrap. They advertise it as CARB legal it should be carb legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Thats ******* bullcrap. They advertise it as CARB legal it should be carb legal. the whole point of advertising is to lie just enough to get people to buy your stuff "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harman.khinda Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I still got a year before I start worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 i bought my 05 new in 06 so im good til 2011 "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nm Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 i bought my 05 new in 06 so im good til 2011 Nope, its based on model year. My car, purchased new in nov 2004 and your car purchased new in 2006 will both have the same smog year - 2011. (Which is also why I am happy to have a decelmber renewal tag instead of the jan I almost got, SMOG check Dec 2011 insitead of jan 2011 -- hopefully by that time I'll have a tiny plot of land in Amador county big enough for a mailbox ) http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm#BM2535 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Nope, its based on model year. My car, purchased new in nov 2004 and your car purchased new in 2006 will both have the same smog year - 2011. (Which is also why I am happy to have a decelmber renewal tag instead of the jan I almost got, SMOG check Dec 2011 insitead of jan 2011 -- hopefully by that time I'll have a tiny plot of land in Amador county big enough for a mailbox ) http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm#BM2535 meh it doesnt matter anyway.... im planning to incorporate in nevada so i can register the car there and then not get tickets for tint anymore "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nm Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 meh it doesnt matter anyway.... im planning to incorporate in nevada so i can register the car there and then not get tickets for tint anymore Here's my warning, DMV and CHP are quite anal about out of state cars (though more OR than NV) and enforce quite a bit because they don't get the tax. (On the other hand amador county gives them the $$$ without SMOG). Also note that clark county now has SMOG and that might move north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Exuberance Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 harass all they want... article IV section 1 of the US constitution is on my side. "i like my women the way i like terrorists... ...screaming gods name and ready to explode." http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5479/troy3nu5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactojesse Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 sniffer for us is nothing. load the cobb econo map in the parking lot and u should be fine. theres no dyno test for awd cars I would recommend reloading the stock map at least two weeks prior to your smog check. I accidentally drained my battery on my 98 Nissan truck, so the ECU reset. When I went in for a smog check a week later, the ECU still wasn't showing as "ready" for the smog test, so I failed even though my tailpipe emissions were all below the allowed concentrations. Obviously, this is only an issue for OBD-II cars (96 or newer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilonk Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 meh it doesnt matter anyway.... im planning to incorporate in nevada so i can register the car there and then not get tickets for tint anymore Living in Sac, and here is what I am doing... http://www.thepostaldepot.com/mail.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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