BigTDogg MA Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I'm doing a suspension refresh on my LGT. Looking to see what I should do for bushings. Has Epic springsKoni yellowsEibach front sway bar Does not has Rear sway bar and bracketsBushings I don't want squeaks and creaks. I want quiet, but I want firm. If I can lube the poly bushings on the sway bars fine, but I don't want noisy suspension. It's my daily driver, but I want to have some fun with on-ramps and twisties. Anyone have experiences they'd like to share? Or a thread you'd can point me to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I'm more then happy with my epic/koni's and stock sway bar. It's not a race car, it's 11years old. How much money do you want to dump into the car. I just had new replacement LCA's installed last week. Kept the bushings in that came in them. With the koni's set on a little off firm, that is little to no body roll. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTDogg MA Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 Maybe I'll do baby steps then. Springs and struts first, then add sways if I'm not satisfied with the roll control later. Still need bushings though, especially front LCA rear bushings. Need ball joints too. Where did you get LCA assys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 You should have told me yesterday before I sent them back to AZP for a refund. If you call Rey at AZPinstalls.com he may be able just to sell them to you. My old LCA's were so worn my trusted mechanic didn't trust pressing the new Whitelines into them. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBwrench Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 From what you're describing, I would stay away from polyurethane. You may want to look into the "group N" OEM bushings. They're basically a slightly harder version of the bushings that come stock on the LGT/OBXT. Kind of a middle ground between stock and poly, and they wont squeak or rattle your interior apart. I believe we can get most of the front suspension bushings, but I'm not sure how much group N exists for the rear end. PM Underdog, he's sells OEM parts. MTBwrench's Stage 3 5EAT #racewagon 266awhp/255awtq @17.5psi, Tuned By Graham of Boosted Performance Everyone knows what I taste like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Make that, he sell's OEM parts too along with everything else. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gex Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 White line KCA 334 aka anti lift kit is a massive upgrade. You do that along with a larger rear sway bar, reinforcing brackets, beefier end links, and a strut spring combo you'll be very satisfied with the improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I love the Whiteline KCA334 set, not sure if anti-lift helped (since I was at stock power) but the caster helped turn in a ton. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gex Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Also don't forget the inner bushing Whiteline W0506. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I'll also add, the koni's and epics keep the car from lifting much when I go to WOT in the lower gears. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTDogg MA Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 Thanks guys, this is great feedback. And to your original point Max, I just put about $10k into the engine rebuild, so I'm hoping to get another 3 years/40k-ish miles out of this pig. Then it's either a Levorg (if Subaru gets their head out of their ass) or used Cayenne, SQ5 or a mythical beast wagon. Those that have the two Whiteline bushings in the LCAs, are they noisy in the cold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTurbo Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 WL LCAs are not noisy on my wagon in the cold. But - when I had them installed @ ~150kmi, noting it was during a very hot spell in July, the stock steering rack failed necessitating replacement...whether my (proven) bad luck or related to the LCAs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I've had WL bushings in MA since 2008 without any noises. You will definitely feel the road through the floorboards with KCA334/W0506, for better and worse. To say it adds to the driving experience would be an understatement, in my opinion. I do recommend greasing sway bar bushings at a minimum. I use SuperLube and Teflon tape on the bars (re grease every 6 months, re wrap every 12), and Whiteline bushing grease on all others whenever they are accessible. Pretty reasonable for the benefit I think. The Crimson Dynamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'll agree with no noise. I had WL front bushings and AVO in the rear position for many years. They were quiet until one of the rears finally begin to wear out, or the arms wore out and the bushing was slipping out of place, well over 100,000 miles later. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covertrussian Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Whiteline KCA334 (rearward bushings only) didn't increase my NVH (Noise, Vibration, Harshness) at all. Which made me really happy. I've installed LCA forward facing poly bushings on my Nissan and it made the car too annoying for daily driving, this is why I stuck to rearward bushings only on the Legacy. 05 LGT 16G 14psi 290whp/30mpg (SOLD) 12 OBP Stock 130whp/27mpg@87 Oct 00 G20t GT28r 10psi 250whp/36mpg 22 Ascent STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 hard to say how much the upgraded bushings affected NVH, as I put on c/o as the same time. Although, everything in the car is very stiff. Turn in is very quick. There will be more noise in the car over stock. However at the mileage these cars are getting to, you'll be hearing more noise from peices loosening up all over. as always if you want a stock sound in the cabin, replacing oem with oem is a better bet. GroupN is still an upgrade on bushing durometer. You might check with Energy Suspensions, as they were offering a slightly higher durometer than oem but not full "racer" like WL when I was looking a couple of years ago. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBwrench Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Boxkita makes a good point... You know that dash rattle. That one we all have, that there was a TSB for but it still rattles? That will get much, much worse As an immature college kid, though, IDGAF. I would slap some coils and the full shebang from Whiteline on my wagon any day. Hell, if I wasn't in the rust belt I'd have the Perrin version of the anti lift kit too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk MTBwrench's Stage 3 5EAT #racewagon 266awhp/255awtq @17.5psi, Tuned By Graham of Boosted Performance Everyone knows what I taste like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidInSeattle Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 If you have a couple weeks, I plan to install Prothane LCA, steering rack and diff bushings on my car (along with a Group N trans mount, Kartboy trans mount bushings and those Beatrush solid bushings for....something. I forget. I'm old.) Anyway, I have had good luck with Prothane on other cars, and I got the whole kit for $102. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Boxkita makes a good point... You know that dash rattle. That one we all have, that there was a TSB for but it still rattles? That will get much, much worse As an immature college kid, though, IDGAF. I would slap some coils and the full shebang from Whiteline on my wagon any day. Hell, if I wasn't in the rust belt I'd have the Perrin version of the anti lift kit too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I believe the wl motorsport version is higher durameter than perrin. At some point, you give up on bushings and goto sperical joints and there is no compliance Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I think he meant the Perrin PSRS which is a spherical-type. The Crimson Dynamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBwrench Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I think he meant the Perrin PSRS which is a spherical-type. Yes, pardon my ignorance! I tried to remember what the hell it was called off the top of my head... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk MTBwrench's Stage 3 5EAT #racewagon 266awhp/255awtq @17.5psi, Tuned By Graham of Boosted Performance Everyone knows what I taste like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxkita Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Sperical = 100% nvh Race tracks are much smoother than road inspite of videos. i can't imagine driving my miata on a typical road day in day out. Build my car Boxkita Track days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatentWagen Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Why no rear sway bar? That is usually the first suspension mod on the list. LW's spec. B / YT / IG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidInSeattle Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 ^^ Good call. I noticed a difference immediately going to the JDM RSB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBwrench Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Why no rear sway bar? That is usually the first suspension mod on the list. Oooh yeah, totally forgot about that! Get a rear sway bar, and reinforcement brackets too if you can afford it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk MTBwrench's Stage 3 5EAT #racewagon 266awhp/255awtq @17.5psi, Tuned By Graham of Boosted Performance Everyone knows what I taste like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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