ibr_adam09 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 As I was taking a turn the car just turned off. While I was coasting ( under 10 miles ) I tried to start it up again but to no avail. I'm in the middle of tuning so I presumed that the shut off was normal. When I try to start it, it seemed as if the starter wasn't even turning the motor over like something was jammed it. Took a look around, check level. All was good. Had a 10 mm with me ( good to have on hand) and thought to just take a look at the belt and low and behold I found this. It looks as if the belt is still Intacked And no teeth jumped but well see. I just hope this was the reason why it turned off and not another issue I just found. So I'm sitting here waiting for a flatbed and decided to let you guys know http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351963004.jpg Not my day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 That sucks, just thinking out loud. Where the belt split. That's is the area where the belt guides ( 5 of them) would rub, if the clearance wasn't set correctly. Or it could be a defected belt. Mike Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Sorry for your problem, at first thought, I'm thinking install error. Also guessing the reason the starter stopped is because a valve is stuck in a piston. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuntryQuestTSi Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Same thing happened to my car. On of the bolts on the center guide fell out and got into a cam gear and jumped time. I was at crusie at 60 and it was like someone pulled all the plugs. Check your timing first, then do a leak down and prepare to diddly hole for a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibr_adam09 Posted November 3, 2012 Author Share Posted November 3, 2012 Well I found the culprit. A bolt got jammed between the pass. intake cam and timing cover. It looks like a timing belt cover bolt, but not sure where from as I still had all the bolts on the cover. I also need to get a new cover, they all have cracks and openings. Now I need to align pray that it didn't jump. http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351975946.jpg http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351975940.jpg http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351975937.jpg http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351975930.jpg http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351975927.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Wow that really knocked around in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyDan Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 i got some metal exhaust cam gears that would look perfect in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Those are ACVS gears Dan. That does not look good. Pull the belt. Set the crank to TDC. Set the cams to TDC. Install the belt. Perform a compression check. Pray you dont have all zeros. We should all pray he does not have 4 cyl with zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted November 4, 2012 Moderators Share Posted November 4, 2012 Subscribed. That's some serious belt carnage there "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyDan Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Those are ACVS gears Dan. That does not look good. Pull the belt. Set the crank to TDC. Set the cams to TDC. Install the belt. Perform a compression check. Pray you dont have all zeros. We should all pray he does not have 4 cyl with zero. Pa tay toe.... potato! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkumaMax Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 WOW never seen that before in my life. Now your making me want to double check all my bolts. Good luck man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibr_adam09 Posted November 4, 2012 Author Share Posted November 4, 2012 Tried to align it while the belt was still on and marks were off on all four cams. Looked like it Jumped big time, so already expecting the worse. I got the belt off and all the plugs. Tomorrow I'll run a compression test. I also bought new plugs just in case. Also already purchased another Gates belt and starting to look into short blocks (suxs big time if I need one) Found out the bolt came from the waterpump. Must of loosen itself out after 15,000 miles =/ Oh and, some damage on the pass. cam gears. Might need replacing ? http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351989992.jpg http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351989996.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05LacyGT Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 See now this scares me as this is the exact belt and water pump kit i have coming for mine next tues. I know you said you had a bolt come loose, but i'm doing the job myself as i can't afford to have someone else do it, aka shop. I have loctite, should i apply that to all my bolts just to be sure? Other than this, how did the gates belt perform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No DRFT Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Holy crap I have no control over drippie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Users paintpollz Posted November 4, 2012 Mega Users Share Posted November 4, 2012 See now this scares me as this is the exact belt and water pump kit i have coming for mine next tues. I know you said you had a bolt come loose, but i'm doing the job myself as i can't afford to have someone else do it, aka shop. I have loctite, should i apply that to all my bolts just to be sure? Other than this, how did the gates belt perform? plenty of people here have put a 100k on these kits. this was clearly an install error "Remember Danny - Two wrongs don't make a right but three rights make a left." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Tried to align it while the belt was still on and marks were off on all four cams. Looked like it Jumped big time, so already expecting the worse. I got the belt off and all the plugs. Tomorrow I'll run a compression test. I also bought new plugs just in case. Also already purchased another Gates belt and starting to look into short blocks (suxs big time if I need one) Found out the bolt came from the waterpump. Must of loosen itself out after 15,000 miles =/ Oh and, some damage on the pass. cam gears. Might need replacing ? http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351989992.jpg http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p330/ibr_adam09/1351989996.jpg Due to AVCS, the lines on the belt wont come back into alignment on the gears again. But, the alignment marks on the gears should come back to tdc. I have seen worse. In LGT's. Even if there was interference, you might have been lucky enough to have the valves just kiss the pistons. In which case a $250 set of valves and a $350 valve job and you are back. Either way, anticipate bent valves over destroyed bottom end. I would be replacing that cam pulley as well. Very sorry for the "loss". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibr_adam09 Posted November 4, 2012 Author Share Posted November 4, 2012 I ran a dry compression test this evening. Cyl. 1 (df) - 120 psi Cyl. 2 (pf) - 120 psi Cyl. 3 (pr) - 120 psi Cyl. 4 (dr) - 90 psi Not sure if it matters but the gauge didn't hold and slowly went back to 0 psi. (except for cyl. 1. It stayed at 120) Isn't 120 low ? I guess it doesn't matter since cyl 4 has a major problem. Tomorrow ill try to run a wet test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericem Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 it will possibly still run although there could be a slightly bent valve or cyl 4 had a problem to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yes on the low side,. #4 is either bent valve(s) or cracked ring &\or ring land. Does spark plugs show any signs of impact damage. Really don't matter, with #4 being that low. Need to pull motor & disassemble to find out how bad the damage is. FWIW if all cylinders was 120. I would put new TB & run her. But with one at 90 there is something broken\bent in #4. Best of luck Mike Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibr_adam09 Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 All the spark plugs looked good, no damage. Motor has 120k miles so I may has well do all the valves / inspect everything else while its in pieces. I'll have to take it to the shop to get it them done, but I may take apart the manifolds, pullies, etc. so they only have to worry about the long block. Also, the cost of labor would be cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuntryQuestTSi Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 All of my vlaves just kissed the pistons. Enough to give me a bad leak down. My pistions where actually in great shape still, I may post them up for sale. http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/87conquestTSi/0825122054.jpg Pulling the motor isn't horrible at all. Label everything in bags and mark all your connectors with tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 120 is not bad for the mileage. 90 is the bad one. You are deff looking at pulling it and disassembling. No one should be interested in buying used OEM pistons. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I'm sure you saw my thread about my engine R&R so you have a idea what your in for. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 No one should be interested in buying used OEM pistons. Sorry. Unless spec.b Sorry to hear OP. These are the stories that keep me from doing DIY on the motor deeper than the trivial items like pipes. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuntryQuestTSi Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 120 is not bad for the mileage. 90 is the bad one. You are deff looking at pulling it and disassembling. No one should be interested in buying used OEM pistons. Sorry. No one should, but hey its worth it to post on ebay. lol Good luck, hopefully its just head work and your ready to rock again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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