PrelateBishop Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Looking at a 2009 OBXT. Are all/most of the performance mods available for the LGT also applicable to the Outback? Specifically I'm interested in ECU tunes and suspension upgrades. I also posted in the model specific forum, but that section doesn't seem to get much love. Thanks for the help. Sent from my DROID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Most are directly swappable, with some minor differences. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Basically the same. What are you looking to do? My wife is very happy with her setup (sans struts which we are sorting out): 06 OBXT Stage 1 tune (keep her 100% smog legal in CA) KillerB Oil Pickup (if you ever drop the oil pan, DO A PICKUP!) AVO Rear Swaybar Mounts (must have, oem mounts will bend too easily) Hotchkis Swaybars Front and Rear Kartboy Endlinks (absolutely need for RSB with OBXT, can get away with OEM on front and you will need the spacers in the link kit) Magnaflow Catback (for rumble, no gains at stage 1, minimal at stage 2) IP&T Turbo oil supply line (overkill, got it so I can check the filter easily and frequently) I suggest for you to start with CNT Catted DP (check IPT for a automatic or manual pipe per your car) Stage 2 tune F & R Swaybars (of your choice, Ive been very happy with Hotchkis and Cusco) AVO RSB Mount http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-283/AVO-Subaru-Legacy-GT/Detail Kartboy Endlinks (rear) http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-1386/Kartboy-Rear-Sway-Bar/Detail And see if you really want anything else. That will give you a LOT more power, will get rid of the wallowing, rolly feel in turns and will give you great turn in instead of UNDER steer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrelateBishop Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 Basically the same. What are you looking to do? My wife is very happy with her setup (sans struts which we are sorting out): 06 OBXT Stage 1 tune (keep her 100% smog legal in CA) KillerB Oil Pickup (if you ever drop the oil pan, DO A PICKUP!) AVO Rear Swaybar Mounts (must have, oem mounts will bend too easily) Hotchkis Swaybars Front and Rear Kartboy Endlinks (absolutely need for RSB with OBXT, can get away with OEM on front and you will need the spacers in the link kit) Magnaflow Catback (for rumble, no gains at stage 1, minimal at stage 2) IP&T Turbo oil supply line (overkill, got it so I can check the filter easily and frequently) I suggest for you to start with CNT Catted DP (check IPT for a automatic or manual pipe per your car) Stage 2 tune F & R Swaybars (of your choice, Ive been very happy with Hotchkis and Cusco) AVO RSB Mount http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-283/AVO-Subaru-Legacy-GT/Detail Kartboy Endlinks (rear) http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-1386/Kartboy-Rear-Sway-Bar/Detail And see if you really want anything else. That will give you a LOT more power, will get rid of the wallowing, rolly feel in turns and will give you great turn in instead of over steer. This, for the win. Nice! If I end up making a purchase, I'll be throwing a couple dozen questions at you. Many thanks for the input. As for my plans, I'd like to address a number of issues: Ride Height: The outback sits way too high for my liking, so I'm thinking something along the lines of a LGT stance. However, something adjustable would be awesome for trips into the snow/mountains, assuming it isn't too pricey of a proposition.Handling: Uh, what you said. Power: More of it, so an aftermarket tune is in order. Also would tackle how the motor breathes, since it is so much more apparent on a force fed motor. To that end, an UP/DP and exhaust seem to make sense.Appearance: The 08/09 Outback grill is fugly IMHO, so that has to be changed; with what, I dunno. The wheels are gonna get the boot, perhaps with a set of XXR's that I have my eyes on. I also dig yellow fogs, so that is a strong possibility. Finally, might try to do something with that wood trim on the interior. That's what my list kinda looks like at the moment. Some immediate follow-up that comes to me is you mention a Stage 2 tune; where do I get that done and by whom? What all is entailed? How much $$? I imagine there is a fairly substantial collections of parts. Most are directly swappable, with some minor differences. Would you care to elaborate on some of the specifics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 BAC should never be dismissed with it comes to nitty gritty about OBXT. In fact... I think he was the first person I contacted about modding the OBXT suspension before I ordered a single part. He even custom made something I'm not telling you about because I want it:p [*]Ride Height: The outback sits way too high for my liking, so I'm thinking something along the lines of a LGT stance. However, something adjustable would be awesome for trips into the snow/mountains, assuming it isn't too pricey of a proposition. So what you want is your OBXT setup for winter and OEM LGT sturts/springs. Alternately blown LGT struts + koni inserts w/ swift/eibach/pinks OR SpecB suspension. You do know that no coilover is really going to give you the nice ride a good strut/spring setup will. [*]Power: More of it, so an aftermarket tune is in order. Also would tackle how the motor breathes, since it is so much more apparent on a force fed motor. To that end, an UP/DP and exhaust seem to make sense. You don't need an UPpipe, but you should read the forum sticky on where to start modding your car. An UP will offer you basically nothing on the oem turbo and your year has no catalytic in the up anyhow. Dont mess with your intake. Dont mess with your intake. Dont mess with your intake. x3 [*]Appearance: The 08/09 Outback grill is fugly IMHO, so that has to be changed; with what, I dunno. Heads up, LGT and OB grills are NOT interchangeable for 05-07. Ask me how I know. I bet its the same with 08-09. The wheels are gonna get the boot, perhaps with a set of XXR's that I have my eyes on. I also dig yellow fogs, so that is a strong possibility. Finally, might try to do something with that wood trim on the interior. Im looking at cheap as I will be replacing one a year due to inevitable curbage from the wife. Am looking at 17x8+48 BremmerKraft BRO7 sin silver (hey Bro! ) with either Firehawk Wide Oval 500 235/55/17 or BFG KDW2 235/55/17. Id swap to 5-6k HID long before swapping out perfectly good fogs (yellow is sorta ricey). After going with WHITE hid, the fogs looks pretty yellow anyhow. I can take a night shot of my LGT for you if you want with white HID and oem (seemingly yellow) bulbs to compare if you want. Some immediate follow-up that comes to me is you mention a Stage 2 tune; where do I get that done and by whom? What all is entailed? How much $$? I imagine there is a fairly substantial collections of parts. Would you care to elaborate on some of the specifics? Not doing you a favor unless I pass you the hard work compiled for you already: Forum stickies, forum stickies, forum stickies, forum stickies... http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/unofficial-legacy-gt-stage-upgrade-definitions-48123.html stages http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/begin-modifications-your-legacy-gt-19037.html In this case you need a Tactrix not a VACCOM. http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/complete-beginners-guide-e-tuning-vendor-and-vag-com-cable-158118.html Don't short change yourself with a CobbAP map. Get a Infamous1 or Cryotune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrelateBishop Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 Man, I love how much knowledge you're dropping me. Ok, I'm off to do a final inspection of the ride, so I'll keep ya posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Good luck! Hope your purchase works out and you bring another OBXT to the Legacygt.com community. DONT FORGET TO POST PICS IF YOU PURCHASE IN A INTRODUCTION THREAD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrelateBishop Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 So that just happened; she's in the garage at this moment. Of course I'll post pics in an intro thread, so that'll be happening very soon. LosAngelesLGT, I have a follow-up lowering question for you. Could you provide me a breakdown of the "Alternately blown LGT struts + koni inserts w/ swift/eibach/pinks" statement? Links or product numbers for the specific parts needed would also be greatly appreciated. Hell, if you think it'd be easier to talk about it, I'd be happy to call you (if it isn't a complete imposition). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrelateBishop Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 While I'm thinking about it, I need a short shifter as well. Research yielded the Kartboy Short Shifter and Bushing Combo, but I am open to suggestions. I believe COBB makes one, in addition to an STI option. Please feel free to weigh-in on this as you see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 OH WOW! Congrats on the new purchase. We are VERY happy with ours. Im getting the feeling that you are going to understand a lot more with a 20min conversation than you will with 2 hours of typing and searching out links for you. Looking forward to your intro thread. Don't bother waiting to mod the car before posting. No one is expecting a fully built car to be your intro thread. PM'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 The koni option involves buying OEM LGT struts then installing koni inserts. I'd considered that option, but went Bilstein for a few reasons. The lower perch on the Bilstein is slightly higher than the LGT strut. The front shafts are huge, which means less compliance. The fronts are also inverted, pulling unsprung weight out of the front and partially offsetting the heavy tires. The downside to the Bilstein HD route is that it'll be low. I corrected suspension geometry using a mix of Whiteline parts and spacers on the strut tops to bring everything into line. The result was a stupidly fun and incredibly well riding car. Maybe I'll get to drive it again one day. I use an LGT STI short shifter linkage in my car. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrelateBishop Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 The obligatory intro thread is now active, complete with some pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Per our conversation: Find a local tuner or get stuck with an off the shelf tune http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-89/Cobb-Tuning-Subaru-Legacy/Detail Infamous 5% off and free shipping over $299 to lower 48 http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/infamous-performance-legacygt-members-discount-code-176657.html Bilstein suspension (keep in mind the cost I was counting springs) http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-279/Bilstein-HD-Strut-%26/Detail Those koni inserts (requires oem lgt struts) http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-272/Koni-Front-Subaru-Legacy/Detail http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-1363/Koni-Rear-Subaru-Legacy/Detail vs KYB all inclusive http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-270/KYB-GR-dsh-2-Subaru-Legacy/Detail http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-1568/KYB-GR-dsh-2-Subaru-Legacy/Detail EPIC Springs http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-278/Epic-Engineering-Subaru-Legacy/Detail Downpipe http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-291/CNT-Performance-Subaru-Legacy/Detail Downpipe 3" to OEM exhaust flange http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-393/3%22-Downpipe-to-Factory/Detail Endlinks - rear, come with spacers not shown that make fitment a breeze. BAC may need to chime in but I do not believe the oem endlinks will survive the RSB on oem suspension. The oem link seemed pushed to the limit of its articulation. http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-1386/Kartboy-Rear-Sway-Bar/Detail Avo Rear Sway Mounts http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-283/AVO-Subaru-Legacy-GT/Detail Swaybars to choice. I was very happy with my Cusco's but I swapped both cars to Hotchkis. Not sure if this is going on still or not http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/hotchkis-sway-bar-kit-pre-order-group-buy-188899p12.html If the swaybars you choose dont have these you will want em http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-246/Whiteline-Subaru-LGT-Sway/detail Some people say the oil pickup tube is optional. The OBXT got swapped at 50k miles and was clean. The LGT got swapped at 60k miles and was cracked. If it broke, bye bye oil pressure = bye bye motor. These are poorly made from the factory. http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-82/Killer-B-Subaru-Oil/Detail Those oil line kits I was talking about that are optional http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-995/IP%26T-Filtered-Turbo-Oil/Detail or http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-996/IP%26T-Complete-Filtered-Turbo/Detail Bulletproof TMIC mod http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/bulletproof-tmic-mod-lgt-08-wrx-158870.html My epic rebuild and build thread (there are TWO builds here) http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/lalgt-rebuild-thread-152682.html?t=152682&highlight=lalgt+rebuild+thread Mrs.LALGT's OBXT and its mods including the modded Magnaflow (sounds badass but definately not subtle - does not include swap to DBA4000, LGT calipers and hawk hps!) http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/63-gallery/42659-introducing-mrs-lalgts-infamous-tuned-obxt-5mt-limited.html LegacyGT brakes http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/08-obxt-front-brakes-upgrade-legacy-gt-brakes-184237.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrelateBishop Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 You. F*cking. Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrelateBishop Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Oh, before I forget, turns out CryoTune is basically just down the street from me. That being said, me thinks the Stage 2 tune will be happening sooner than later. Uh...that's kinda awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Oh perfect. Dave is awesome. What does it tell you that I've never had one of his tunes and I know his name and reputation? Don't bother him with suspension stuff unless he wants to chat about it but before purchasing anything beyond a downpipe, check what he thinks and what his local experience is. Tuning, parts and power at altitude and with cold seasons is a bit different than where I am at ~70degrees avr and sea level. You might also inquire about local installers as he will have had to have dealt with their handiwork (getting stuck with boost leaks, etc) EDIT: I SEE YOU LURKING GIRE YOU OLD MAN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I have a Killer B oil pickup I'd be happy to sell, if you want it. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 OMFG I WAS SUPPOSED TO BUY THAT FROM YOU BAC. Long story! PM'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublimejoe Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 This thread is awesome, you guys all rule! As for the OBXT grill, you are right it does suck but nobody makes an aftermarket one from what I understand. I had a friend of mine cut the center out of mine and then smooth it all out and paint OBP: http://i.imgur.com/HrPHM.jpg I actually just put the mesh in it last night. I spent a lot of time cutting it perfectly and making sure the fitment was perfect before I start riveting it in tonight: http://i.imgur.com/Bdb4Sl.jpg I will post some completed photos in a day or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I have a oem LGT grill for sale that I did this exact thing to. Too bad it wont fit an XT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrelateBishop Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 The problem is that the OEM grill for 2008-2009 is A) different than the previous years and B) fugly as hell. I've done a handful of mock-ups on my home computer; I'll post them soon so the group can weigh-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrelateBishop Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 So do you get any drop in the ride height by changing struts or does it come entirely from the springs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideways the Seven Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Strut body is shorter Sent from my LG-P999 using Tapatalk 2 -Brandon 2007 Chevrolet Suburban LT3 1981 Chevrolet C10 LWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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