PearlBlueGT Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 On our 05LGT I really don't like brake system. I really feel how heavy car is when I brake, seems like brakes barely suffice to stop this heavy beast. I already bought some S/S brake lines, what else should I do to improve braking. I read about WRX booster swap... When I brake, it feels like there's dead spot in pedal before car actually starts braking. Its not mushy just very unresponsive, so in case of panic stop its kinda dangerous. My 68 Charger with drum brakes on all 4 corners has better response brakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnJack Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 This will solve your problems. http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-31/StopTech-Subaru-Legacy-GT/Detail http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-33/StopTech-Subaru-Legacy-GT/Detail http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-1208/GrimmSpeed-05-dsh-07-Subaru-Legacy/Detail Of if you want to save a bit of money. Maybe just new fluid and a good quality set of pads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyLove88 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Agreed. I can't tell if the brakes are supposed to be like this or not. I do get a bit of a vibration when stopping quickly though, and a low speed with squeak. I put new rotors up front, new pads all around too. Definitely the car's weak spot in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdd Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I second the MCB. That and the SS lines/better pads and fluid. I also rebuilt the stock calipers. This met my needs and removed the mushy/holy crap am I gonna stop in time feeling. That being said, your final desires from hp/tq perspective may warrant better calipers. I'm only running 18 psi and the aforementioned mods met my needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlBlueGT Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 This will solve your problems. http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-31/StopTech-Subaru-Legacy-GT/Detail http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-33/StopTech-Subaru-Legacy-GT/Detail http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-1208/GrimmSpeed-05-dsh-07-Subaru-Legacy/Detail Of if you want to save a bit of money. Maybe just new fluid and a good quality set of pads. First 2 are out of question. I want to improve braking but I'm not spending 2K on brake kit, besides car is staying stock for a while, it won't be autocrossed, etc. What is that master cylinder brace, how effective is it, works both on manual/auto cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 my brakes are 100% stock, freshly bled brakes and a MCB and the MCB helped peddle feel a lot. I wouldn't look further than bleeding the brakes and adding a MCB. 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnJack Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 If you both are running the stock pads, they tend to deposit themselves more on the rotor than any pad I've seen causing vibration issues and poor braking. The rotors themselves may not be warped, but just heavily deposited. Pads and fluid may make a huge difference. If you have not replaced the fluid in two years, it's due. There is a ton of information on pads in the brake forum. I won't recommend a pad to you since it will turn into a debate on which one is better or worse. I suggest you do your own research to make a decision. With fresh fluid, stock pads and rotors on my 3.0 R Legacy, I can make all four tires squeal easily with the ABS fighting to keep them from locking up. With my LGT with DBA 4000 slotted rotors, racing fluid, stainless hoses, and Hawk HP+ pads it does it A LOT faster. However when they get wet, they don't grab until I warm them back up. There are compromises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnJack Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 When you press on the pedal, you push on the master cylinder which in turn causes the firewall to flex slightly in your car causing the brake system to feel weak. With the MCB, you help hold the master cylinder in place and keep it from moving via the firewall flex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 When you press on the pedal, you push on the master cylinder which in turn causes the firewall to flex slightly in your car causing the brake system to feel weak. With the MCB, you help hold the master cylinder in place and keep it from moving via the firewall flex. And it works really well http://www.grimmspeed.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=60_54_164 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnJack Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I've heard that from EVERYONE that has installed one. They are a very good idea and the unit is well built. The Grimmspeed one is a very good unit as is most of their stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdd Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Easy to install also. It was one of those mods were I finished so quick that I was almost disappointed. I kept looking through the video to make sure I didn't miss anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlBlueGT Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 What is VDC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdd Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 VDC= Vehicle Dynamics Control Traction Control. I don't miss having it on my last car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 This is my first car with traction control of any kind... I find it somewhat annoying 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_ster Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 did you melt your valve stem caps yet ? Now that's thinking out of the boxer! fyi all 05 + legacy's have built in code reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdd Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 It is only ok if you have the option to completely defeat it; which is rare anymore. Most defeat switches only eliminate parts of the assistance. I like that my 05 allows me to make the decisions regarding traction. I've always found ABS beneficial though. I'm not bashing tech, I just enjoy making most of the driving decisions. If it was completely defeatable, I'd be ok with it being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyLove88 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Noob question , but the 05 LGT has VDC right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdd Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Mine doesn't. IIRC, the H6's had it in 05. I can't remember what year it was standard on the GT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyLove88 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 So I should be alright with the brace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdd Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 They make a VDC and a non-VDC version of the brace (some fitment issues with the current version of the VDC variety have been reported.) My understanding is that all 05GT's are non-VDC. So, I think you'll be ok. If you would like further confirmation pm msprank for verification. He will know for sure, or be able to help you figure out exactly what you have. Just make sure you order it from him then - lol. Don't forget the discount code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkenbui Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 big brake kit! Ugh....I hate being poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geegeez Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I've got the Grimmspeed MCB on my 05 LGT, so he'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegacyLove88 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I was expecting to be flamed.. Thanks guys! Checked cars101 and it didn't mention anything about it, so I'll guess it doesn't come with it. I'll hit up msprank either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx045 Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 07+ LGT "new VDC all wheel drive traction control system on GT automatic transmission with Navigation only. This is the first year the VDC system has been offered on a Legacy, previously it has only been on the Outback VDC and Tribeca models. VDC stability traction control system measures variables such as steering input, braking and vehicle angle, and applies individual brakes and/or reduces engine power to counteract skids or slides to help keep you in control." 2008: new VDC all wheel drive with traction control now standard on 2.5i Limited starting July, 2007 delivery. See prices for model codes. VDC is also standard on GT with automatic transmission, GT specB, and the new 3.0R Limited. VDC stability traction control system measures variables such as steering input, braking and vehicle angle, and applies individual brakes and/or reduces engine power to counteract skids or slides to help keep you in control. VDC includes on 4 speed automatics a traction control system which senses a loss of of traction and applies the brakes to the slipping wheels to maintain vehicle motion This is not the VTD system on the GT with 5 speed automatic. VDC includes on 5speed automatic tranmissions and GT turbo models traction control system VTD Variable Torque Distribution. 45/55 performance oriented, front/rear power split with Limited Slip rear axle, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_ster Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 abs lengthing stopping distances in all cases with anyone who knows how to drive. abs reduces stopping distances in most cases when the person does not know how to drive except in slushy or sand conditions it doubbles stopping distance. vdc is good however, where you are going stait and your turn wheels completely on ice or what ever, if you turning left and the car is going strait it will actualyl help your begin your turn. by applying the left brakes. however if your over steering left it will apply right side brakes to prevent over steer. how ever ultimate cornering ability is reduced because its on the safe side. and vdc will apply the brakes to spining wheels if your stuck witch usually helps. but i want the ability to turn those things off so i can not crash in circumstances where it hinders stopping ability. Now that's thinking out of the boxer! fyi all 05 + legacy's have built in code reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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