keltek Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I have used Blackstone labs oil labs several times for my motorcycle and past vehicles. I decided to send in a sample from my 2009 Legacy GT 5MT. Here are the results and what is your opinion? My car is all stock, no mods. I change the oil every 3000-4000 miles, always use Subaru oil filter and use Mobil 1 5W/30. Yes, I have checked the banjo bolt filter. I pulled the stock one and it was clean, not 1 speck of material in it. I purchased a new one with new copper washers from the dealer and installed them. OIL TYPE & GRADE: Mobil 1 5W/30 FULL SYNTHETIC OIL SAMPLE MILEAGE: 3715 MILES CAR MILEAGE: 21,265 Blackstone, Wear is generally higher than average in this sample despite an oil run that's similar in length. Aluminum typically shows piston wear, while iron and copper show wear at steel and brass/bronze parts respectively. Silver read higher than average and that could be bearing material, perhaps in the turbo. Sodium might show some coolant, though it's hard to make that call without potassium present. Maybe sodium is residual additive from past oil. Monitor your coolant level and be alert for problems due to high wear. Check back in 2,000 miles to monitor. Below are the minerals that were above the universal averages supplied by Blackstone labs. Aluminum was 7ppm, average is 3ppm Iron was 26ppm, average is 9ppm Copper was 47ppm, average is 8ppm Molybdenum was 118ppm, average is 71ppm Nickel was 1ppm, average is 0ppm Silver was 7ppm, average is 0ppm Potassium was 4ppm, average is 2ppm Boron was 67ppm, average is 48ppm Silicon was 17ppm, average is 11ppm Sodium was 58ppm, average is 26ppm Calcium was 2467ppm, average is 2116ppm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I'm no expert but I think I would stop using Mobil1. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx045 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 1. 09 lgt's don't have a banjo bolt filter from the factory 2. Mobil 1 and turbo subaru engines don't play well, it's been documented on this forum for years, and years, and years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTuner Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Correction, M1 5W-30 is not that great anymore. Try Syntech full synthetic 5w-40 (european formula) or go to a 0w-40 or 10w-30 M1. I am having great results with that. High copper may be a journal bearing in the turbo. Mobil is typically high in boron and moly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Subscribed. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx045 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Subscribed. Glad you could make it! There's beer in the fridge and burgers on the grill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Thanks. Anyone have a good source for European formula synthetics? I have outgrown domestic synthetic formulas. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx045 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Thanks. Anyone have a good source for European formula synthetics? I have outgrown domestic synthetic formulas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boymk123 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 http://www.etyparts.com/ETY%20images/allen%20-%20lubro%20moly.jpg Hell yeah, that's me in the picture.. j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quick4dr Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Rotella 5w40 FTW!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Thanks. Anyone have a good source for European formula synthetics? I have outgrown domestic synthetic formulas. What about Japanese? Is the JDM Quaker State not cutting it anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbrjason Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Rotella 5w40 FTW!! Apparently not anymore. I've seen several posts on their formula recently having changed for the worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTDogg MA Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I used M1 5W-30 High Mileage for my first oil change, will send it to Blackstone as soon as I get a chance. What I had researched on here lead me to belive the HM variant isn't a bad oil. Guess I'll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx045 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Maybe an oil analysis forum should be created, or simply, an oil forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbang Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Rotella changed the formulation of their oil--bitog/nasioc oil analysis threads I'm using Castrol 0w30 right now--car seems to like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenir Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Maybe an oil analysis forum should be created, or simply, an oil forum. This sounds like an excellent idea. We can finally get detailed analysis on what type of oil we should all be using. Kind of bummed I just put Rotella in the car 3 days ago and just found out they changed their formula.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 What about Japanese? Is the JDM Quaker State not cutting it anymore? It is still my preferred choice and they have keep the formula consistent over the years, unlike so many other "pretend" high end oils , but it is difficult to get sometimes, which I suppose is the sign of a true quality oil. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob-2 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Stop using M1 and buy a redline turbo 10-30 or 10-40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx045 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Stop using M1 and buy a redline turbo 10-30 or 10-40 And i thought I was a troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AShoe Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Keep an eye on your turbo. AFIK the only place silver comes from in subaru is the turbo bearings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshire40 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 the high copper reading would concern me. have you checked for shaft play? man you guys are being pretty hard on the guy no? it seems to me he has a legitmate concern and not your basic which oil should i use question. just sayin Mod list & photos _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltek Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 thank you berkshire40, yes i did check shaft play, i took the turbo into two local shops in the area and they say it is in like new condition.the high copper reading would concern me. have you checked for shaft play? man you guys are being pretty hard on the guy no? it seems to me he has a legitmate concern and not your basic which oil should i use question. just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltek Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 yes the 2009 does have a banjo bolt filter, its located under the turbo inlet tube, you basically have to pull the turbo to get to it. please do your homework before you try to make me look stupid 1. 09 lgt's don't have a banjo bolt filter from the factory 2. Mobil 1 and turbo subaru engines don't play well, it's been documented on this forum for years, and years, and years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltek Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 this is not an oil debate thread, im not asking for opinion of your choice of oil. im asking you fellow members to look at the statement from blackstone and the minerals that were above the universal averages supplied by Blackstone labs and give me thoughts on that, only if you have the knowledge to do so. thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshire40 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Im assuming this wasnt a new turbo and no previous failures? Any other nefarious symptoms? Hopefully your next report is better, good luck Mod list & photos _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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