wangchow21 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Hey guys I'm pretty new to the forum and I don't know much a out cars but I love my Legacy. Last night on my way home my car just shut off. All of my electronics stayed on but I lost power steering and my brakes. I tried to start it while coasting and while stopped. It turned over but would not start. It sounds like something is jarring around on the right side of my engine. I have no idea what could have happened and any ideas that you guys have would be great. Thanks, Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucid Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Did you run out of gas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowImg Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You're either going to need to provide a lot more information, or you need to take it to a shop. Actually, you need to take it to a shop either way. What's your mileage? Did it sound awful when it shut off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangchow21 Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 I have plenty of gas lol and yes I'm taking it to my mechanic My mileage is just over 100k and no there was no awful sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowImg Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 What's the vehicle? Maintenance history? Timing belt been changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangchow21 Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 06 Legacy GT, I replaced the water pump an timing belt at about 95k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
06legsleeper Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 hopefully the belt didnt jump time... did u have lack of power before it shut off? anything odd happen before it shut down on ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangchow21 Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Not any noticeable loss in power or anything wrong before it shut down, what would that mean if the belt jumped time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Timing belt jumping will cause the valves to hit the pistons. That is not good. If it did, you will have felt loss of power and heard noise. Could be something electrical is wrong. Another member had a fuseable link go bad the other day. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangchow21 Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 If the valves did hit the pistons, does that call for a new engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sko Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 If the valves did hit the pistons, does that call for a new engine? Pretty much, or at least new valves/pistons and then probably all the bearings on the rods and crankshaft. But it doesn't *sound* like that's whats up, as others have said. What's it sound like when you try to start it, or just nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangchow21 Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Well I put my hand on the timing belt casing and it's shaking when it turns over. If the belt just simply snapped, would there be the same valve/piston damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sko Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Less catastrophic, but still bent valves and scarred pistons most likely. Depending on where the work was done and what belt was used, or if they even replaced the belt, could be some sort of warranty thing? Either way, without taking off the timing cover and checking it all out, this is all hypothetical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangchow21 Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Okay thanks goes out to everyone who posted I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I would have it towed to a shop and have them check it out. If the belt is the issue, it could be a install issue. But getting them to admit that will be hard. Most likely the gap on the corner guides was not done. This causes the belt to chafe, built up heat, and destroy itself. There was picture the other day of one. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangchow21 Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Yeah I'm towing it there today. And what needs to be done with the corner guides during the install? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I believe its a .020" gap minimum that must be set. Could be more, it's in the book. Have you looked through the how to threads on this job, you'll see the corner guides. Not the best picture but here's one of mine. The upper left corner you can see a piece of the guide. there are two bolts that you loosen to adjust the cap. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x40/92Si/Picture064.jpg 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Corner guides & crank guide is set at 1mm +\- .05mm (0.039in +\- .0196in) So .020" gap will work. Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAP Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 He said he could hear something "jarring" on right side of engine. When the turbo fails does it grenade and do pieces get sucked into the engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Yes it is normal for the compressor wheel and shavings from the housing to get blown through the tmic into the TB and intake manifold as well as the oil system when the seals in the turbo go. 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangchow21 Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 It doesn't sound like a bunch of pieces, it really just sounds like my belt is flopping around inside the casing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halwith Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 did you replace the pulleys with the belt? idler and tensioner? i did that on my honda years ago. got cheap and didnt replace the pulley, it failed a few thousand miles later and fucked up the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangchow21 Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 Just got a call, they said the bolt on the tensioner broke. They're still looking to see what is damaged if anything is at all. Is there anything I need to have them double check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Capacity Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I would think no. they may want to replace the belt. It's only $80.00 305,600miles 5/2012 ej257 short block, 8/2011 installed VF52 turbo, @20.8psi, 280whp, 300ftlbs. (SOLD). CHECK your oil, these cars use it. Engine Build - Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJuan Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Might be a good idea to have a compression and leak down test done, to make sure the cylinders are holding pressure and nothing major has happen. My wife's balls are delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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