TJS Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I've got a blown left front bilstein on my 07 Spec.B. Just curious if anybody has any experience with the Bilstein HD's and how they compare to the stock Bilsteins? I really like the ride and don't really want to change it, but at the same time I can get all 4 HD's for the same price as a pair of the OEM Bilstein fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 The HDs are simply a different valving than the Spec B ones. If you are coming from a price point then the HDs are definitely cheaper than any OEM parts. I would replace the whole set either way as when 1 goes the rest might be on their way out. -Jake http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg Call directly for your best Whiteline Price! | We also carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suds2250 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 You should look into sending the strut to Bilstein for repair: http://www.bilsteinus.com/products/search-service/service.html 335HP/360Tq VF-22/1820 clone with Meth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarasube Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 just curious as to what blown struts feel or sound like. my setup with biltsteins hd feel alot harsher than before. doing a search now. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeFromPA Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Sarasube, A strut dampens movement. It prevents your car from being 3000 pounds of mass sitting on steel springs and and having to absorb the momentum caused by slamming that mass into a bump in the road at 75mph. I'm no suspension expert, but a blown strut no longer absorbs dampens movement. This can be observed a few ways: 1. Ride quality goes down 2. Your car bounces alot. This can sometimes (but not always) be simulated by pressing down on your car's trunk and watching it bounce a few times - indiciating the strut isn't dampening the movement. ... For myself, at 77k on the car, I notice that even modestly rough streets feel like "crashing". It feels like it's relying on the springs more to control movement. So mine aren't "blown" necessarily, but they are pretty much at the end of their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I wonder if you can ask them to change the valving when you send them in for repair... (Looks like they can) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogos Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The HDs are simply a different valving than the Spec B ones Different how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Different how? Different in that they arent the same:). The range or dampening or both are different. My guess is oem ones are softer than the HDs. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Different in that they arent the same:). The range or dampening or both are different. My guess is oem ones are softer than the HDs. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Hmm, In that case I need the HD's. My pinks overtake the SPEC-B Bilsteins and I need more dampening. Are the Koni's stiffer then the SPEC-B's or the HD's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTuner Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Koni's are rebound ajustable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Koni's are rebound ajustable. I'm wondering how hey are from the comfy setting. I heard they are stiffer then the USDM SPEC-B rev c Bilstein at the softest setting? Mike, you guys install a lot of them, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I'm wondering how hey are from the comfy setting. I heard they are stiffer then the USDM SPEC-B rev c Bilstein at the softest setting? Mike, you guys install a lot of them, no? Yup we've installed probably 100+ sets of konis in the past 10 years. Specifically on LGTs probably 30 sets. I ran them on my 05 LGT Wagon with STi Pinks. I could take my 75 year old Mother In Law through NYC in it when on Soft. On Stiffest I took the car to Watkins Glen, Pocono and NJMP road courses and kept up with the best of them. So my take is the soft setting is a great OEM-Like replacement setting, turn it up a bit and it just gets better. -Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg%5Dhttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiskeyTango Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Link to the Konis? Pricing info ETC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Link to the Konis? Pricing info ETC? Our Install Pricing: http://azpinstalls.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=74 As for purchasing them, unless you are local, might as well get em at Shox.com can't really compete with them. -Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg%5Dhttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 You can get them really cheap @ autoanything.com if you log on as a first time user. under $500 for the four plus free shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Also, On the Bilstein rebuilds. You can give them your spring rate and they will match the valving of the damper to the springs you are using! Decisions, decisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Also, On the Bilstein rebuilds. You can give them your spring rate and they will match the valving of the damper to the springs you are using! Decisions, decisions... Right but then you can't change em to suit your driving style (MIL v. Track) also Konis have a lifetime warranty. -Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg%5Dhttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Right but then you can't change em to suit your driving style (MIL v. Track) also Konis have a lifetime warranty. -Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg%5Dhttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" I hear you. I personally like the spring to be well matched to the damper at all times since running adjustables underdampened on a stiff spring can be a miserable experience during "emergency maneuvers". I've never been one for adjustable shocks but at the price I'm really tempted to give the Koni's a try. I'm debating between rebuilding my extra set of Bilsteins, RCE V1 KW's that I have sitting around, or buying the Koni's. To the OP, sorry for the thread hijack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I hear you. I personally like the spring to be well matched to the damper at all times since running adjustables underdampened on a stiff spring can be a miserable experience during "emergency maneuvers". I've never been one for adjustable shocks but at the price I'm really tempted to give the Koni's a try. I'm debating between rebuilding my extra set of Bilsteins, RCE V1 KW's that I have sitting around, or buying the Koni's. To the OP, sorry for the thread hijack. I hear yah. I dont believe in coilovers on street cars, way more dangerous in emergency situations than springs/struts. Also i am not that good a driver (despite 10 years as an instructor ontrack) where i need my equipment to be perfectly matched. Same goes for power upgrades. I am pretty much of the school where minor mods coupled with education are the best setups. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I hear yah. I dont believe in coilovers on street cars, way more dangerous in emergency situations than springs/struts. Also i am not that good a driver (despite 10 years as an instructor ontrack) where i need my equipment to be perfectly matched. Same goes for power upgrades. I am pretty much of the school where minor mods coupled with education are the best setups. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" I can't speak from the overdampened perspective since I haven't had a set of adjustables in 15 years. But with the SPEC-b Bilsteins being a bit overmatched with JDM pinks it's not too much fun at the limit. I do have to thank you for the whiteline LCA install though. I haven't been able to push the car to the limits for a long time with the tennis balls in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 And I'm probably a far worse driver than you. I'm old and my reflexes are starting to suck but it's still fun and that's what matters in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris GTO TT Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I hear yah. I dont believe in coilovers on street cars, way more dangerous in emergency situations than springs/struts. Also i am not that good a driver (despite 10 years as an instructor ontrack) where i need my equipment to be perfectly matched. Same goes for power upgrades. I am pretty much of the school where minor mods coupled with education are the best setups. -mike http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" IMO coilovers are a waste of money on any car. Most of the shock dynos for them that I have seen show they perform very poorly and inconsistently. I too am a fan of the KISS method of car modding. Carefully selected mods will make your car more enjoyable, more reliable and not drain your wallet by throwing parts at it. 2003 Baja 5MT 2016 Outback 2.5i Premium w/Eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 And I'm probably a far worse driver than you. I'm old and my reflexes are starting to suck but it's still fun and that's what matters in the end. Fun is the key. We like to direct our customers to the KISS method but in the end, Delivering Happiness is what we like to do best. -Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/141039922.jpg%5Dhttp://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://upload.pbase.com/image/137566671.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. AIM: AZP Installs | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobaru5 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 You can get them really cheap @ autoanything.com if you log on as a first time user. under $500 for the four plus free shipping. that is a super good deal, but its only good for 24 hours of when you first visit the site so don't click the link unless your ready to buy!! do they know when you visit the site via IP? could I just use a different computer ? I think I'll be ready to buy a set of konis in a few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortal2None Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 that is a super good deal, but its only good for 24 hours of when you first visit the site so don't click the link unless your ready to buy!! do they know when you visit the site via IP? could I just use a different computer ? I think I'll be ready to buy a set of konis in a few weeks Probably a browser cookie so you can try by clearing the cache or using in-private browsing. (I'll probably test it this weekend) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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