W1CKED Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Allow me to preface this post by saying: This is in no way intended to offend/slam/flame/piss off/etc. ANYONE. I am genuinely curious, and I am looking for the input of the forum. If this turns into a flame fest, MODs/ADMINs, please feel free to move this to LOGAN's RUN, with my apologies. So, the following examples I understand: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5202/5238332307_f606d7773e_z.jpg NASIOC.com THREAD http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/5200124216_61a3b4a31b_b.jpg NASIOC.com THREAD http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/5059234996_aa943cc0f7_b.jpg LegacyGT.com THREAD http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/brooklyngenius/Big%20Event%202/DSC_0118.jpg LegacyGT.com THREAD The following examples I DON'T understand: http://www.urbanracer.com/gallery/articles/event_coverage/2010/simple/69.jpg NASIOC.com THREAD http://www.canibeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/comebackkid_2.jpg NASIOC.com THREAD http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/steve-tracy/8f57da83.jpg NASIOC.com THREAD And some people feel so strongly about it, they post stuff like this: I'm not. I just hate the typical big horsepower, mud flap, supertone, rota x life, ken block nut swingers that only care about one way to build a car and **** and flame the rest. This is why I don't hang out with Subaru kids anymore unless they are into stance and fitment. All of the other cookie cutter Subaru kids that don't have an open mind make the GD chassis the new ricer Honda. **** that ****. So, for all of those kids, get out of this thread and bring your trunk monkeys and rally pigs back to Toys R Us. Is it just an asthetic thing? Is it so you can fit wider wheels on a car, and still have tires for traction? Like I said at the beginning of the post, not looking to sh*t on anyone...just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I'm with you 100% on your post. And I agree with your photos as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 its purely a style trend that decreases the performance of the car. the more the stretch, the worse the tire performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipsterDoofus Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Also, to go with stoppushinmyassin, it looks dumb as hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 And the greater the risk is of the tire popping off the rim causing danger to other people in traffic. I hope that cops takes action on that and deems the cars "undrivable" and have them towed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Motion Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 its a style, if you dont like it, just move on not everyone is looking for a car that performs SUPER good for me, I use my LGT as a DD, thus I want to make my car as aesthetically pleasing as possible I like the low and slow style, and i do not care about what others think stretching tire is necessary to have good wheel fitment stretching tire does NOT make the tire any more dangerous than "regular fitment", read risk does NOT increase stretching tire also reduces sidewall flex if I can slide my car sideways at 60+ MPH on stretched tires, I think it'll be just fine for daily use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTTuner Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/5059234996_aa943cc0f7_b.jpg Eeewwwww! Gheto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-BGTLimited Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Stretching a tire means you are using a tire too narrow for the rim, (show me specs on tires used that say they can be put on a rim of that width, NO manufacturer will list the width pictured to be within spec of the tires used) which also points at you have the improper backspacing on the rim to properly fit into the wheel well of the vehicle.... So stemming off of having the incorrect rim spacing you then put a improperly fitted tire on the rim so it doesn't bend your fender flare. So yes that would point at it being an aesthetic modification only, NO performance/handling gains at all... But I would have to say its more of a visual preference than "Aesthetically Pleasing" since not many are pleased by that look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoDork Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I'm all for rockin one's own asthetics be it in style, their car or music... its a style, if you dont like it, just move on not everyone is looking for a car that performs SUPER good for me, I use my LGT as a DD, thus I want to make my car as aesthetically pleasing as possible I like the low and slow style, and i do not care about what others think stretching tire is necessary to have good (bad wheel) fitment. the fact you have to stretch/pull/roll your fenders and/or cut out your inner fender liners renders your wheel/tire choice as less then ideal. stretching tire does NOT make the tire any more dangerous than "regular fitment", read risk does NOT increase. Please read this for FACTUAL Verbiage: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=199 "The measuring rim width is the industry standardized rim width upon which the tire must be mounted in order to confirm it meets its dimensional targets. Because the width of the rim will influence the width of the tire, a standard rim width for every tire size is assigned and must be used. This standardized measuring rim width allows all of the tires produced around the world to meet the same dimensional standards and therefore, be equivalent with regards to their physical size. The measuring rim width is sometimes referred to as the tire's "design rim width." stretching tire also reduces sidewall flex if I can slide my car sideways at 60+ MPH on stretched tires, I think it'll be just fine for daily use ~Sucka-Duck~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 if I can slide my car sideways at 60+ MPH on stretched tires, I think it'll be just fine for daily use That is the sign of a good tire Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 it is just aesthetic. cars this low do not handle well. suspension travel is almost nothing so shock don't have the ability to work properly. also the amount of camber decreases braking ability and the fact that they have to stretch narrow tires on to a wide rim does not really improve contact patch. hella flush is really a show car thing rather than a performance thing. the examples in the pictures have been tastefully done for the most part, but id never do it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I'm with you 100% on your post. And I agree with your photos as well. X2, seems like you have a pretty good grip on the situation. The 2nd batch of pics is the kids who thought "If some flush fitiment is good, then too much must be great! Right?":rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grmorrow04 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I'm probably going to get scrutinized when I put 18x9 35mm offset wheels on w/ 245 or 255 tires riding on AST's... I won't be as low as some of these cars though. Then again, who cares what others think? Do what you do for yourself and your own gratification, that's the way I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted December 8, 2010 I Donated Share Posted December 8, 2010 IMO, there's not much point to modifications that do nothing to increase performance of a car, but I'm okay with them. To each his own in that situation. When a modification actively decreases performance (e.g. lowering a car way too much and putting on tires that rub if you try to get at all frisky), that's what I have a problem with. Why would you decrease the utility of your car like that? A lot of times, cars lowered this much can't even turn their front wheels all the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseH Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 This is an age-old hot-rod argument. Modifications for customization/individualization sake, and modifications for performance sake. They did it back in the day with lead sleds, faux side pipes, etc. Now it's hellaflush, body kits, warrior wings, etc. Same argument...different car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeleodee Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 ^^this Anybody hear of "prostreet" . Basically American cars built to look like 10 sec drag cars with weak engines and drivetrains underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 There are show cars, and there are go cars. They are different animals. If the op likes it, so what????? "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W1CKED Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 its a style, if you dont like it, just move on Then again, who cares what others think? Do what you do for yourself and your own gratification, that's the way I see it. If the op likes it, so what????? I agree with you guys 110%... I'm not saying if I like it or I don't...and I never will. I just didn't understand why it was done, physically. (Like why you wouldn't just put a tire on that fit the rim) Everyone's that has posted so far has brought their own points to the table, and they are all valid in their own right. I thank you guys (LGT.com) for not turning this into a "flame-fest" as it would've been if I had posted it on another forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I'm probably going to get scrutinized when I put 18x9 35mm offset wheels on w/ 245 or 255 tires riding on AST's... I won't be as low as some of these cars though. Then again, who cares what others think? Do what you do for yourself and your own gratification, that's the way I see it. 255's on a 9" wire rim sounds good to me. its the next step after 245's on a 8.5" rim which is my track setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipsterDoofus Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 You guys who say "waaah im not saying i like it whatever its his, do what you want" are a bunch of girls. its dumb. majority rules. stop pandering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipsterDoofus Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I agree with you guys 110%... I'm not saying if I like it or I don't...and I never will. I just didn't understand why it was done, physically. (Like why you wouldn't just put a tire on that fit the rim) Everyone's that has posted so far has brought their own points to the table, and they are all valid in their own right. I thank you guys (LGT.com) for not turning this into a "flame-fest" as it would've been if I had posted it on another forum. Just give it time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FocuS Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I think this is an interesting post! Both sides of the argument have merit. I think that if people want to slamm their cars to the limit and stretch their tires to the point of failure, it is their decison but don't expect sympathy when the ride/NVH/breakage occurs! I have my Leg GT wagon pretty low with 19s in the Summer but it is far from the examples above. I already hate/fear the bad roads around here...any lower and I'm pretty sure I'll tear the bumper off! Flame away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk6933 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I'm personally not a fan of it. Seems like some people are riding on only half of their tire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 this about sums it up... "Originally Posted by NASIOC Member" I don't see how having a tire and wheel setup, where one pothole or even losing 5 psi will destroy both rim and tire is a good idea. So in this pic, right below where the tire says 'outside', that's the rim protector rubber. It's meant to overhang the rim and help prevent curbing. But I guess this guy is covered if he ever needs to drive down railroad tracks http://www.urbanracer.com/gallery/articles/event_coverage/2010/simple/69.jpg My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I think this is an interesting post! Both sides of the argument have merit. I think that if people want to slamm their cars to the limit and stretch their tires to the point of failure, it is their decison but don't expect sympathy when the ride/NVH/breakage occurs! I have my Leg GT wagon pretty low with 19s in the Summer but it is far from the examples above. I already hate/fear the bad roads around here...any lower and I'm pretty sure I'll tear the bumper off! Flame away! In which case we know that you would be ill advised to try to follow me through a corner that has one bump. "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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