I Donated thefultonhow Posted September 15, 2017 I Donated Share Posted September 15, 2017 But there are cars that can match those performance figures and still eek out better mileage, that was my point. And again its my opinion, for my money a Lexus or BMW sport sedan would be the choice, or a preowned P85. BMW M5 MPG: 15/22. Not substantially better than the CTS-V. You were saying? Also not available in a wagon, if you want to go that route. If you don't, low-mileage CTS-Vs can he had for $45k with a manual. Manual M5s are $60k+. Lexus GS-F MPG: 16/24, but 90 HP less than the CTS-V and no faster options available from Lexus. Also, once again, not a wagon. And no manual option. If you're talking about auto CTS-V sedans, $35k is pretty easy. Teslas are nice, don't get me wrong. My mom has one. But her Model S 75D was a hundred grand. Not even a P model. The P100D will run you $140k+. I'm sure they're cheaper on the used market and all, but the P85D looks like it's still $65-70k to start, and you're into the $80s if you want under 20k miles on it. And the only way you'll get more cargo into a Model S than a CTS-V wagon is if you're packing without suitcases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted September 15, 2017 Moderators Share Posted September 15, 2017 I guess I get to post in this thread. OBXT with all the bolt-on's is gone, has been replaced by a 2015 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost twin turbo. Completely different, but my needs / wants have changed and I wanted something that could comfortably tow over 5k lbs. My OBXT probably got around 18-19mpg on 93 octane (about a $0.60-$0.80 cost over 87 octane) and my truck seems to get about 16mpg on 87 octane, so that's about a wash in my mind without doing any match. The tech in the truck absolutely demolishes the Subaru, it is what it is--10yrs of advancement. The subaru wagon was awesome--6mt wagon with over 300hp to the wheels, hard to beat--but the capability and utility of the truck along with the creature comforts is just insane. I miss the handling of the wagon, but other than that I have moved on. I'll pick up something small in the future maybe--miata, s2000, older m3, i dunno--and maybe mod it for auto-x. For now, I'm pretty happy "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 BMW M5 MPG: 15/22. Not substantially better than the CTS-V. You were saying? Also not available in a wagon, if you want to go that route. If you don't, low-mileage CTS-Vs can he had for $45k with a manual. Manual M5s are $60k+. Who said M5 I was thinking M3 since you made the $60-70k limit an M5 is $95k but if that is in the mix I would take it over the cts-v anyday. I don't care about the wagon part, I didn't specify wagon I merely said there are better cars in the same price range. My definition of better not yours. I would also be happy in a lexus IS-F good enough performance and lexus quality to boot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 What a CTS-V hater. Did you drive one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawkins20 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 So I've moved on from my 2011 LGT to the 2018 Audi A4. I've always looked at these 2 cars as very similar given they are AWD 4 dr sedan with rock solid AWD systems. One thing that always drew me to the LGTs was the price/performance ratio. This is not nearly as good with the Audi, but there aren't many cars that still have that like the 4th and 5th gen LGTs did. I compared these 2 cars first going back to when I was looking to replace my totaled 2008 LGT. At the time, the 2011 A4 was a bit too small for me and gave up quite a bit of power to the 5th gen LGT. The new model is essentially the same exterior dimensions as the 5th gen other than a slightly lower roof. Power is substantially increased in this gen of the 2.0T with 270ish Torque available from 1400rpm to near redline. Since life needs required me to part with my manual (sniff), the DCT 7 speed is a lot more fun than the standard slushbox found on most auto cars in this range. The tech is absolutely amazing and the interior quality is a different class than the LGT, as it should be given the much higher MSRP. One major concern is obviously the possible long term maintenance costs with a German car, but I was willing to take my chances for once. Also I miss the absolutely cavernous trunk of my 5th gen, but this one isnt bad and has less stuff protruding down from the parcel shelf than the subie. Apparently APR and others are making insane number dyno claims with a Stage 1 ECU flash, mid 300s torque, but given Audi's more aggressive pursuit of mods with warranty denials (google TD1) and the very high possible costs of engine/ DCT transmission issues out of warranty, I'm not sure if this is something worth risking. As it is the car seems plenty fast, but I'm still babying it in the break in period. Cant wait to try the DCT launch control when I'm through that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 What a CTS-V hater. Did you drive one? I have driven two of them, I have a general disdain for GM products, the CTS-V is not special in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I have driven two of them, I have a general disdain for GM products, the CTS-V is not special in that regard. That means bias. Oh, well, I admit I have a special disdain towards the 5th gen Legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted September 15, 2017 I Donated Share Posted September 15, 2017 Who said M5 I was thinking M3 since you made the $60-70k limit an M5 is $95k but if that is in the mix I would take it over the cts-v anyday. If you want a small backseat and BMW "quality" and parts prices, sure, I guess. The M3 is definitely a nice car, though. But I have a friend who was a BMW tech for a while. He recommends against BMWs in general. I don't care about the wagon part, I didn't specify wagon I merely said there are better cars in the same price range. My definition of better not yours. The problem is, you keep on bringing up reasons why cars are better than the CTS-V, and they keep on being wrong. I would also be happy in a lexus IS-F good enough performance and lexus quality to boot! I mean, the CTS-V has been pretty reliable by most accounts. I have a general disdain for GM products, the CTS-V is not special in that regard. The truth comes out. Your definition of "better" is "not a GM product." Why didn't you just say that in the first place? I can't refute badge snobbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 If you want a small backseat and BMW "quality" and parts prices, sure, I guess. The M3 is definitely a nice car, though. But I have a friend who was a BMW tech for a while. He recommends against BMWs in general. The problem is, you keep on bringing up reasons why cars are better than the CTS-V, and they keep on being wrong. I mean, the CTS-V has been pretty reliable by most accounts. The truth comes out. Your definition of "better" is "not a GM product." Why didn't you just say that in the first place? I can't refute badge snobbery. [emoji38]GM earned my disdain, it's not snobbery. Given the choice to do something worthwhile the brand consistently chose profits over quality, safety, and reliability. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocklgt Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I was actually quite impressed by the Scat Packs until I drove a 2017 Maro SS 1LE. What a car. Something to be said about that instant power vs. lag lag lag boost. I was all set on a chally scat pack with the 6 speed manual til' i drove the 1LE. Once I break this new motor in, im going to seriously consider one. I have been considering a move to american for the past few years now, but was always afraid to. It needs to be said that the build quality of american cars is no longer nearly as shoddy as it used to be, and companies like subaru really need to rethink their interiors. Long live the 4th gen LGT, but i think it may be time to move on out. I also have been considering a Golf R, but I would only get one in auto, and that just seems, well, sacrilege to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 What are you taking about? Scat Pack has naturally aspirated 6.4L hemi. No lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocklgt Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 i meant driving either of those two vs. my lgt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted September 15, 2017 I Donated Share Posted September 15, 2017 GM earned my disdain, it's not snobbery. Given the choice to do something worthwhile the brand consistently chose profits over quality, safety, and reliability. So, basing your opinion of current excellent cars on mistakes they made in the past. That's still snobbery, FYI. Especially considering you don't have any actual substantive reasons to dislike the CTS-V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 So, basing your opinion of current excellent cars on mistakes they made in the past. That's still snobbery, FYI. Especially considering you don't have any actual substantive reasons to dislike the CTS-V. If snobbery means having principles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rumble Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 A: "I don't like this thing" B: "I don't like that you don't like that thing" A: "Well I don't like you!" B: "Well i don't like you either!" Arguing the legitimacy of an opinion is fruitless. 2012 Legacy 3.6R Build Thread 5th Gen Legacy BM/BR Body Kit Compendium Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 A: "I don't like this thing" B: "I don't like that you don't like that thing" A: "Well I don't like you!" B: "Well i don't like you either!" Arguing the legitimacy of an opinion is fruitless. I just like to argue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEASER Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I just like to argue... You do NOT! GTEASER's 2012 Legacy GT - Sold GTEASER's 2009 XTeaser - Sold GTEASER's 1992 Legacy SS - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 You do NOT! I see what you did there...I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted September 15, 2017 I Donated Share Posted September 15, 2017 If snobbery means having principles...If having principles means refusing to acknowledge a good product because you have an unrelated grudge of some sort against the manufacturer... [emoji14] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLlegacy Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 If having principles means refusing to acknowledge a good product because you have an unrelated grudge of some sort against the manufacturer... [emoji14] Never said it wasn't good, just said there are better options...reading comprehension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted September 15, 2017 I Donated Share Posted September 15, 2017 Never said it wasn't good, just said there are better options...reading comprehension Still waiting for evidence of better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee199969 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I see what you did there...I like it!Well I don't like it. Not one bit Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk My "Build" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted September 16, 2017 Moderators Share Posted September 16, 2017 Still waiting for evidence of better STFU, fulton. This isn't the PA. Go sit in your garage and look at your Chevy! "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted September 16, 2017 Moderators Share Posted September 16, 2017 "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted September 16, 2017 I Donated Share Posted September 16, 2017 STFU, fulton. This isn't the PA. Go sit in your garage and look at your Chevy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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