evildriver Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Alright fellas, here's the issue (cliff notes below). I found an 07 Spec.B for sale through a dealer. Low miles. Appears to be stock and in good condition. I talked to the dealer and they said they performed minor maintenance during their inspection when they got it (tires, air filter, oil/filter change, battery). I then reached out to the local Subaru dealer whom I had been told performed most of the maintenance on the car prior to being traded-in. They informed me it's a lemon (unbeknownst to the dealer selling the car I assume). I guess the car was bought for a young man by his dad. There are records of proper maintenance up until about 20k miles. After that the car went off the grid for 2 years. No oil changes. No tires. No brakes. Nothing. The Subaru dealer got it back fried. Metal shavings in the oil pan and in the turbo. They were told to patch it up and make it drive able. Unfortunately for the dealer it was traded in to, they have no idea what is in their hands. Clearly the motor is done for. And I can only imagine what else will need replacing eventually (clutch, suspension, brakes, etc). How do I approach the dealer selling this car about this? I'd consider rebuilding for the right price. Aside from the motor I'd eventually upgrade everything at some point anyways. What would you offer? Any other thoughts? Cliffs: Dad bought Spec.B for dumb kid. Dumb kid didn't change the oil for 2 years. Motor/turbo fuct. Unicorn blood fried. Patched up by Subaru dealer to make it drive able then owner traded-in to another dealer. Current dealer has no idea. Considering rebuild. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MN3.6R Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Something isn't adding up in this situation. Lemon refers to a car that has had the same problem fixed multiple times. A car can go " off the grid" as you are calling it because the owner decides not to have any work done from a Subaru dealership, there is nothing specifically wrong with that. If the previous dealer said that the car had metal shavings in it I would be concerned of course. Also what are you meaning by low miles? It sounds like you have not driven the car either if you are assuming it needs a bunch of parts, without driving it and finding out how things hold up, it's tough to assume it needs things like a clutch and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adreyna Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Well I can tell you from my personal experience it's gonna be anywhere from $5.5k to $7k to rebuild the engine (upgraded internal or new ej257) with labor. On top on that add a turbo (1200 from subaru or what ever one you want). So your looking at about $7,000 to get it back to new. . . . Someone else can chip in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidWombat Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Walk away. The current seller will probably not be willing to accept a price that you would want give that history. They will just try to sell it to someone who didn't do as much homework. Probably with a slight discount to get it off the lot faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted March 26, 2013 Moderators Share Posted March 26, 2013 Also, please post up the VIN here so others know to stay away. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildriver Posted March 26, 2013 Author Share Posted March 26, 2013 "lemon" was just a term I was using. What I meant is that it is potentially a car with major problems that the dealer either doesn't know or isn't disclosing. My point is that the Subaru dealer told me point blank that this car needs a new engine. The previous owner neglected to take care of the car as it should have been. I'm not entirely sure the extent of the damage they found, but I heard enough to be convinced. The car has just over 43k miles. Low miles for a 2007 IMO. I have not driven the car as it is 1,400 miles away from me. However, I have someone taking a look at it for me today. As for things like the clutch, I am making assumptions that the kid most likely drove it like he stole it based on his lack of proper care. I could be wrong. Hoping for the best but expecting the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildriver Posted March 26, 2013 Author Share Posted March 26, 2013 Assuming the dealer were able to sell this thing to an unknowing consumer and it were to blow up (again)... Wouldn't they be responsible for fixing it? Or would the consumer be bent over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doccrowley Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Don't bother with this one. You'll never get it for what it is worth in that condition, or buy a super-duper-warranty coverage extra cause you'll need it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 yeah, id get the dealer to put a big warranty on it if you are considering it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted March 26, 2013 Moderators Share Posted March 26, 2013 yeah, id get the dealer to put a big warranty on it if you are considering it. If the dealer is 1400 miles away, what's the point? "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 ah, missed that little detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidWombat Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Assuming the dealer were able to sell this thing to an unknowing consumer and it were to blow up (again)... Wouldn't they be responsible for fixing it? Or would the consumer be bent over? Probably the latter. Unless its still got a Subaru warranty (unlikely), the car would most likely be sold "as-is". In California, the only required protection would be a 2-day, 250 mi cooling off period. If the engine blows up a month later, that's on customer. You might be able to get something from them if it didn't last a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubOperator Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 just find another specb. 2005 LGT Wagon Limited 6 MT RBP Stage 2 - 248K 2007 B9 Tribeca Limited DGM - 258K SOLD - 2005 OB Limited 5 MT Silver - 245K SOLD - 2010 OB 6 MT Silver - 205K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famaya26 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Poor Legacy, if all else fails the Dealership will probably sell it As is at an Auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lingling1337 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 No way they're asking less than 7 for it so I'd say skip it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildriver Posted March 26, 2013 Author Share Posted March 26, 2013 Here is the ad: Click Me Here is the VIN: 4S3BL696573213755 Apparently it sold between when I talked to the stealership this morning and now. My condolences to the poor soul that will end up asking us what the problem is with their car in the near future. And so the search continues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famaya26 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Here is the ad: Click Me Here is the VIN: 4S3BL696573213755 Apparently it sold between when I talked to the stealership this morning and now. My condolences to the poor soul that will end up asking us what the problem is with their car in the near future. And so the search continues... Good luck finding one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Thats terrible that someone would pay $23K for an 07 Spec.B let alone one that has been thrashed. I have been looking for LGTs as well and now I am seeing some Spec.Bs creep into my price range. I dont mind higher mileage as long as it has been maintained. *Side note I havent seen any GRP/RRP 08-09 LGTs for sale in a LOONG time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 From the sound of it, you are better off not owning it. If the story is true, I feel very bad for the new owner. I know of a few Subarus sold recently in So Cal (first hand) that were ready to blow (and did) as they left the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobycoupe Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Best thing is the world is find one with right around 100k that has just had the 105service done. As long as it has been maintained and the CARFAX looks solid you can get your best money out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted March 27, 2013 Moderators Share Posted March 27, 2013 If I bought that car and then saw this thread I would probably puke, lol. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidWombat Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 If I bought that car and then saw this thread I would probably puke, lol. If you bought the car ad and then saw this thread, its probably because the engine already did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee07 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Just wait, don't rush into buying a car with issues There are many more cars for sale or soon to be for sale(spec B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m sprank Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 CarFax is useless. Only info reported to CarFax is on the report. Even Dateline did an expose blowing up CarFax for being a bogus "confidence report" recently. CarFax does not guarantee that having a clean "CarFax" means the car is good. They readily admit that cars that are totaled can end up getting a clean CarFax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adreyna Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Hey evildriver you should make a post in the Spec B registry. The car sold in a Toyota stealership in Longview, Wa which is up next to Oregon. So the car would have been bought buy a Washington or Oregon costumer. Can some figure out the #/500 from the vin so it can be easy to track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.