LatentWagen Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=228370&d=1460862609 http://legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=228369&d=1460862609 The upgraded brakes on the Cadillac ATS are basic Brembos, and are extremely cheap, being a GM product. It seems they'll work with an STi rotor, and logically our cars as well, provided there's enough room. Calipers: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-172-2587-Original-Equipment-Passenger/dp/B00B4KP8S4/?tag=viglink20901-20]Amazon.com: ACDelco 172-2587 GM Original Equipment Front Passenger Side Disc Brake Caliper Assembly: Automotive[/ame] [ame=http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-172-2586-Original-Equipment-Assembly/dp/B00B4KP8E8/?tag=viglink20901-20]Amazon.com: ACDelco 172-2586 GM Original Equipment Front Driver Side Disc Brake Caliper Assembly: Automotive[/ame] Adapter kit: http://www.ctsvbrakeswap.com/subaru-kits Full Parts List: ATS Brembo Calipers with hardware kit Left caliper- Ac Delco Part Number 172-2586 Right Caliper- Ac Delco Part Number 172-2587 Caliper Hardware Kit- Carlson Part Number H5869 OR Ac Delco part number 18K1971X 2004 Subaru STI 5x100 12.8” rotors High Carbon Blank Rotors- Centric Part Number 125.47019 Drilled Rotors- Stoptech Part Number 128.47019L & 128.47019R Slotted Rotors- Stoptech Part Number 126.47019SL & 126.47019SR Drilled and Slotted Rotors- Stoptech Part Number 127.47019L & 127.47019R *You can use whichever brand rotors you like as long as they are 2004 5x100 bolt pattern 12.8” STI rotors* 2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V Brake Pads Ac Delco Part Number- 17D1050M *You can use whichever brand brake pads you want as long as they are for a 2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V with Brembo calipers* Stainless Braided Brake lines (optional) Centric Part Number- 950.44034P Thanks to battelready for the above list! Overall, they don't look quite as beefy as Subaru's OEM STi Brembo Calipers, and they aren't the prettiest with the Caddy logo... but Brembo, so they'll most likely be a substantial upgrade for anyone in the Subaru community who is still on their stock sliding calipers. IMO the only possible flaw/weak point in the design is that the caliper must be angled from optimum (pic), to accommodate the 4" vs 5" spread of the bolts. Definitely looking for feedback from someone in the know, will this cause any issues or pad wear inconsistencies? I'm thinking about a set of them for the Saabaru, pending a few clearance questions. The biggest issue right now is that we may need to run an 18" wheel to fit the taller (but slightly slimmer) calipers. I think there will be more options for wheels, however, because of the added spoke clearance. Not confirmed whether we'll be able to grind down the bump on top of the caliper, nor if they'll clear 17"s once trimmed. There are a few people a few steps ahead over at the other forum, so check up on their thread to be sure. If you take the leap on these, please post up in here with updates... Group thinking on mods like this is an awesome way to move our LGT hobby forward, so thanks to everybody posting up in this thread. And thanks especially to Dispatch20 for finding the kit and bringing it up in the WDYD, in the first place! Edited April 18, 2016 by LatentWagen LW's spec. B / YT / IG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Rotor size? Too bad they say Caddy instead of just Brembo "Striving to better, oft we mar what's well." - Bill Shakespeare - car modder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dispatch20 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 A lot of good examples of their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ctsvbrakeswap/ And a specific post with tech details about CTS-V vs ATS calipers: https://www.facebook.com/ctsvbrakeswap/posts/1648094542140390 There still seems to be some remaining questions on brake bias. Lastly, it seems like Brembo started manufacturing in the US just for Cadillac: http://www.brembo.com/en/ComunicatiStampa/2012/BREMBO_CADILLAC%20ATS_ENG.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkinslow Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 sub'd because interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dispatch20 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Rockauto sells remanufactured ATS brembo calipers for $126 each with no core charge. http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/cadillac,2015,ats,2.0l+l4+turbocharged,3307660,brake/wheel+hub,caliper,1704 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrei Wolf Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Now all we need is too see what they'll fit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatentWagen Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 They'll fit just about any Subaru, as long as the wheel will clear the caliper/rotor... they appear to be slimmer than the STi Brembo calipers, so we may have a winner on our hands here. Rotor size? Too bad they say Caddy instead of just Brembo STi rotors, so 326mm by 30mm, or whatever they are. LW's spec. B / YT / IG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrei Wolf Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 They'll fit just about any Subaru, as long as the wheel will clear the caliper/rotor... they appear to be slimmer than the STi Brembo calipers, so we may have a winner on our hands here. Wheel wise, that's what I mean. Shit if I can get these under my 2011 WRX Wheels, or guys with the OEM 5 spokes from 2005-2007, this is ground breaking for a upgrade for those of us with OEM Wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselsquid Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Want! -Squid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatentWagen Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 GM part numbers are: 22760030 & 22760031 LW's spec. B / YT / IG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstorr Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 I wanted to get these but someone told me not to. I never really asked why. They would look beautiful doeeeeeee =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StkmltS Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 On man, if these fit inside OEM '05 gt wheels they're going on my short list. My DiySB rebuild Got Misfires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dispatch20 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) What the....Amazon has each caliper for $86: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-172-2587-Original-Equipment-Passenger/dp/B00B4KP8S4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460730806&sr=8-1&keywords=2015+ATS+cadillac+caliper]Amazon.com: ACDelco 172-2587 GM Original Equipment Front Passenger Side Disc Brake Caliper Assembly: Automotive[/ame] [ame=http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-172-2586-Original-Equipment-Assembly/dp/B00B4KP8E8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1460730806&sr=8-3&keywords=2015+ATS+cadillac+caliper]Amazon.com: ACDelco 172-2586 GM Original Equipment Front Driver Side Disc Brake Caliper Assembly: Automotive[/ame] Also, the ongoing NASIOC thread. Couple guys have bought them, and appear to be installing them any day now. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277352 Edited April 15, 2016 by Dispatch20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasemelta Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Boy this would be huge, I'm sick of remanufactured calipers that seize in 2 years. . . So is it still up in the air whether caddy fronts and oem rears work together? Or you'd have to go sti for the rears? I may have read that wrong. . . Edited April 15, 2016 by Fasemelta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatentWagen Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 Rears are essentially appearance only, for most purposes (and 2-pot rears would be at least as much $, for much less benefit). Get the brake force distribution right, and these should work great as a front-only option. STi master cylinder swap might be a good start. LW's spec. B / YT / IG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StkmltS Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 It's been like 5 hours already and nobody's tried these out on OEM wheels. Come on Internet people, what gives? My DiySB rebuild Got Misfires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anti Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 It's been like 5 hours already and nobody's tried these out on OEM wheels. Come on Internet people, what gives? On Facebook someone tried them with the OEM 17's and they didn't fit. Maybe with spacers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnusonsubie Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 From my understanding the ATS calipers work with STi rotors and pads. I've thought about this swap when I need new brakes but my current pads and rotors are only a year and a half old right now with plenty of life left on them. Sub'd for interest 2005 Vader Wagon Material Tests on Ringland Failure Piston I should have held off and purchased a wagon instead of the spec.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotofan Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Very interesting. But frankly I never understood the Brembo craze...don't the stock brakes work just great unless you're running huge sticky rubber or doing track days/autoX? Someone tell me a good reason to do this on a DD:) I put something here like all the cool people, except there's nothing cool to put here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebourne Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 I was shopping around for some legacy pads/rotors... and saw this thread. I like what i am seeing! pic thread build thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOYS Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Very interesting. But frankly I never understood the Brembo craze...don't the stock brakes work just great unless you're running huge sticky rubber or doing track days/autoX? Someone tell me a good reason to do this on a DD:) Floating iron calipers suck, they seize, and don't have the best pad choices. Also, buying a reman stock caliper is the same price as these Brembos. Why not upgrade by just spending a little bit more for the conversion kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatentWagen Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Very interesting. But frankly I never understood the Brembo craze...don't the stock brakes work just great unless you're running huge sticky rubber or doing track days/autoX? Someone tell me a good reason to do this on a DD:) I'll take a shot at it, too... for DD duty, the brake pedal feel is probably the main selling point. It's a whole new world for your right foot. Like the 6MT versus 5MT; drive both, and you'll know. Fixed calipers feel more solid, and can take whatever you can throw at them (provided decent pads and fluid). My B's far improved "brake resolution," and they stay linear under heavy use. No spongy dead zone. No wobbles or drama, just decel. You could achieve 80% of this with the stock setup, but why not start ahead of the game - especially for less than $200 for a set... so $400 including the adapter kit (!). Even if you have to find a set of wheels to clear, the upgrade would still be well worth it. But seriously, if you justified getting a turbocharged performance sedan over a Camry for DD duty, you don't need all this convincing, just give them your monies Edited April 18, 2016 by LatentWagen fixed! LW's spec. B / YT / IG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Intrigued. I could suck start a snow blower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotofan Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 But seriously, if you justified getting a turbocharged performance sedan over a Camry for DD duty, you don't need all this convincing, just give them your monies Haha, good point. I'll likely do this whenever I need new brakes, especially considering that I could likely fab up the adapters myself for a couple bucks. I put something here like all the cool people, except there's nothing cool to put here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvrick Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Subscribed! Any word on rear caliper fitment? Its nice to get pots in all four corners just for cosmetic sake. If my miata engine swap was completed, I'd guinea pig these, but I'm not doing it without an easy second car option if I get lazy during the install. Edited April 15, 2016 by Kelvrick My Outback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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