SubyManSE2006 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 hey guys have you all ever heard of the squires turbo system? this is a remote mount system that is placed in the rear, the turbos take the place where the mufflers are. this system requires no intercooler since there is no heat build up in the rear of the car. you can either put a single turbo or a twin turbo on the car. i think this system is a better alternative than the avo turbo kit. its half the price of avo. tell me what you guys think. http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_turbo_systems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 hey guys have you all ever heard of the squires turbo system? this is a remote mount system that is placed in the rear, the turbos take the place where the mufflers are. this system requires no intercooler since there is no heat build up in the rear of the car. you can either put a single turbo or a twin turbo on the car. i think this system is a better alternative than the avo turbo kit. its half the price of avo. tell me what you guys think. http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_turbo_systems I think the issue with our cars is the tuning not so much the kit. Any turbo kit will work as long as it is tuned right for our cars. ANd you keep the boost down around 5-7 lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyManSE2006 Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 yea your right on that, but i would so buy this kit rather than avo if the company provided some kind of programmer that re-mapped our computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katalyst Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 personally i would go with AVO f i was going to go the turbo route. given AVO's reputation in the subaru community and overall experience it has with aftermarket performance systems and parts, it just makes more sense. i've never even heard of STS until you posted that link and i have skepticism over that type of turbo setup, what other car out there uses something like that reliably? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 personally i would go with AVO f i was going to go the turbo route. given AVO's reputation in the subaru community and overall experience it has with aftermarket performance systems and parts, it just makes more sense. i've never even heard of STS until you posted that link and i have skepticism over that type of turbo setup, what other car out there uses something like that reliably? Corvette Zo6 runs this kits only its the the Twin Turbo kit and they are custom building 50 twin Turbo STS Corvettes so someone must trust them I have seen this kit in person on a Camaro and a Integra so i think the company is legit the only question i have is the tuning aspect BUT any good tuner could tune for this kit so that really isnt a issue plus it is literally 1/2 the price of the AVO kits and you dont have to mod the manifold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagbot Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 hey guys have you all ever heard of the squires turbo system? this is a remote mount system that is placed in the rear, the turbos take the place where the mufflers are. this system requires no intercooler since there is no heat build up in the rear of the car. you can either put a single turbo or a twin turbo on the car. i think this system is a better alternative than the avo turbo kit. its half the price of avo. tell me what you guys think. http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_turbo_systems I emailed the company and hopefully they will either email me back or in the best case they will come on the forum and give us more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyManSE2006 Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 i was going to email them yesterday but i never got around to it. thanks, i was a little skeptic about this system as well until i saw their website and jay leno was on there if he trusts them then theyre def. legit. and when i saw the hp numbers on other cars. i think the sound is incredible! the only downside i see in this kit is water issues being that it is mounted in the rear where th mufflers are. i guess u could build some kind of splash shield. i like the fact that there is virtually no lag time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 i was going to email them yesterday but i never got around to it. thanks, i was a little skeptic about this system as well until i saw their website and jay leno was on there if he trusts them then theyre def. legit. and when i saw the hp numbers on other cars. i think the sound is incredible! the only downside i see in this kit is water issues being that it is mounted in the rear where th mufflers are. i guess u could build some kind of splash shield. i like the fact that there is virtually no lag time. Yeah you can def fab up a splash guard and use a turbo blanket to protect the hotside of the turbo but the other issue I see is where to mount this on our car the only place would be in the rear in place of a muffler and then go single exhaust. But this kits seems nice overall and it sounds very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05Boost Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 these kits are awesome my buddy has one on his t/a ws6. Only negatives he kept blowing the oil return line for awhile, forget what he did to fix it, and he keeps blowing his rear out. But it was well worth it, the sound is crazy because of the external wastegate spools fairly early compared to my LGT. These kits are literally a bolt on turbo didnt take us that long to put it on at all. Hope ya guys can get a kit to work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 these kits are awesome my buddy has one on his t/a ws6. Only negatives he kept blowing the oil return line for awhile, forget what he did to fix it, and he keeps blowing his rear out. But it was well worth it, the sound is crazy because of the external wastegate spools fairly early compared to my LGT. These kits are literally a bolt on turbo didnt take us that long to put it on at all. Hope ya guys can get a kit to work out. the oil line I would def beef up to A/N fitting and run it to a oil sump of sorts so as to always have a supply on tap. I also am a little scared of that oil pump failing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 What keeps you from using the stock hardware from a turbo 2.5? It's got to be both cheaper and easier to install, leaving you with the same tuning dilemma you had with the STS solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 What keeps you from using the stock hardware from a turbo 2.5? It's got to be both cheaper and easier to install, leaving you with the same tuning dilemma you had with the STS solution. the only thing keeping us from using junked EJ255 parts are our Cross member everything else would work fine. You make a good point why not use what is out there I guess we all could to a degree but like stated we wold need the right tune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyManSE2006 Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 i dont think it would be cheaper to use parts from a used gt. u have to buy the turbo, the intercooler, the header, then you would have to buy a gt hood cause its a top mount IC. then you would have to go through all the hassle just trying to find all those parts. i still think its a better alternative.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 i dont think it would be cheaper to use parts from a used gt. u have to buy the turbo, the intercooler, the header, then you would have to buy a gt hood cause its a top mount IC. then you would have to go through all the hassle just trying to find all those parts. i still think its a better alternative.. Well now hold on hold on a header for a EJ255 is easy to find and cheap ( ebay junkyard member classifieds) a used VF40 or VF 46 isnt terribly expensive, and UP is easy to find used, the FMIC is the most pricey part I would assume, then is the matter of do you run the Turbo stand alone or will there be a way to tune the stock ECU to recognize the different MAF voltage table reading, AFR, and timing adjustment ( retarding or advancing ) I think you have a great idea btw it would def be a ONE OFF car and you could tell every hater to STFU or eat it or blow me etc etc Not to mention spool from the rear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyManSE2006 Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 i wonder if STS will let you send your ECU to them to get flashed? ill just email them today to see what they for tuning issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 i wonder if STS will let you send your ECU to them to get flashed? ill just email them today to see what they for tuning issues. Good idea I remember reading a post on NASIOC about the biggest hurdle for turbo-ing a non turbo car is the MAF issues and AFR and Timing under boost. the MAF voltages are a simple scaling the AFR and timing not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE RZA Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 this is interesting, but by mounting the turbo in the rear near the muffler how is that going to increase your power? anything "universal" sounds risky to begin with but that seems like it doesn't do much at all, the point of the turbo being mounted to the engine is to force more air into the engine, this is generating more air/power as it is exiting the car and with our cars being a dual exhaust, you would probably have to go twin turbo if you were to buy this, I'm confused by how this thing works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyManSE2006 Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 there is a video of a camaro ss getting this turbo system installed on two guys garage. this system works just like any other turbo system. when you start your engine pressure is applied and spools the turbo doesnt matter if its mounted in the engine bay or in the rear. pressure is pressure. the benefits of this system is that its cheaper than the kit from avo, and it requires no intercooler because there is no heat build up in the rear of the car. here is the link to the install on the camaro ss: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnFA93_U9hY]YouTube - STS Turbo on 2 Guys Garage[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyManSE2006 Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 oh and did i mention the sound is amazing!![ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hu8UL4ehaE&feature=related]YouTube - STS Turbo SS Camaro 5 psi[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE RZA Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 sounds sweet but those things are meant for vettes and camaros, with our cars a twin turbo system will destroy the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 True in the end I feel that for this kits you could find a junked older turbo Subbie and get the parts off of it at least you know it is in the ball park compatibility wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubyManSE2006 Posted August 22, 2009 Author Share Posted August 22, 2009 sts will do the sizing of the turbo for you. they will only put the turbo on your car that your motor is capable of handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE-OTTO Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 sts will do the sizing of the turbo for you. they will only put the turbo on your car that your motor is capable of handling. I read that aspect on the site, if you get enough info on the kit and decide to pull the trigger you may open up a door for a lots of guys not willing to shell out $4K for the other one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05Boost Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It also doesnt have to be mounted in the rear. When I used to own a maxima a guy mounted it in the middle. Called it a mid mount simply. Never got finished because he blew his tranny though. Id assume that you would use the same turbo back there as you would in the front espically if your only running 5-7psi. Figure running that little amout of boost any properly sized turbo wont be in its efficency range anyway. For tuning, i dont know this since not na, but can you guys run romrader? I mean if you were doing a STOCK conversion (maf sensor, injectors, all the goodies that are different) wouldnt you just be able to copy the exact map of a stock LGT and transfer it over? Honestly though the cheapest thing to do would be to just go out and get an LGT and search craiglist for a beater like $500 car nothing more. Register the LGT as a pleasure car thats not daily driver. My insurance went down from 1400/6month to 800 with both cars. (22, full coverage, own plan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biz77 Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 there is a video of a camaro ss getting this turbo system installed on two guys garage. this system works just like any other turbo system. when you start your engine pressure is applied and spools the turbo doesnt matter if its mounted in the engine bay or in the rear. pressure is pressure. the benefits of this system is that its cheaper than the kit from avo, and it requires no intercooler because there is no heat build up in the rear of the car. here is the link to the install on the camaro ss: YouTube - STS Turbo on 2 Guys Garage The system requires no intercooler because the boost pressure is so low. These kits typically run less tha 6 psi of boost. You get heat in the air from compressing it, not because it is near the heat of the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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