boostedgrocerygetter Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 http://blog.perrinperformance.com/your-sti-doesnt-need-an-intercooler-right/ Found this on my Facebook page. My friend that has a turboed ls1 and his friend with 2jz are both running straight meth. He was tryin to talk me into this route but looks like i was right when I decided to stay safe and stick with my plan to go front mounted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Turbo first-gen Legacys didn't have intercoolers. I'm not a fan of meth, but it CAN replace an intercooler. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedgrocerygetter Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 Oh I do understand that it can replace it but I'm not a fan of having to deal with fail safes if the system fails. But yea my first car was a 1983 ford tbird turbo coupe. With no intercooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Exactly. You are F'd if something goes wrong with the meth setup. It'll work, but when it doesn't you are in trouble. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedgrocerygetter Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 Yea I have read of people putting in fail safes to kill all boost if the system fails and to reset timing but it seems like to much of a hassle for minimal gain if any at all. Honestly they prolly would have seen better results with straight meth and bigger sprayers. But still just not worth it. I'd rather be safe and add meth to an intercooler as a added perk. Not my main source of air charge cooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDKSDMF Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 so to be safe you would want an unlimited supply of meth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedgrocerygetter Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 No not what I stated. I said they would probably seen better results never said anything about more safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDKSDMF Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 i meant safe as in to not run out. to have a copious amount in order to ensure that u never run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedgrocerygetter Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 Oh lol got ya sorry but no running out really wouldn't be to much of an issue. And the tanks normally have low level monitors. I just don't want to deal with the issues of the systems faulting all together and stop spraying mid way through a pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvonaxion Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Turbo first-gen Legacys didn't have intercoolers. They had chargecoolers, water to air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 No they didn't. My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC5.2 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 They had chargecoolers, water to air. Only in Japan. I owned two of the US versions. I know what I'm talking about. [URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/proper-flip-key-interesti-159894.html"]Flip Key Development Thread[/URL] "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - E. Hubbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvonaxion Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Ah, Japan, Australia, Europe all got chargecoolers. Why they would delete it for US I don't know... edit: OK you guys got the SOHC 2.2 with only 163hp while the rest of the world got the DOHC 2.0 with 217hp. I guess this is one of those rare instances where the rest of the world > the US. Rest of the world, rejoice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Who are you kidding? The rest of the world ALWAYS gets better versions of the cars than the US does. My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvonaxion Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I was talking in more general terms, but your cars are so cheap it's hard to feel sympathy. Random pick, Jag XFR in the US about 80k in Australia over 200k. Anyway, I should've learned by now not to post in any techie threads on US forums, your cars are all arse-backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumfoo1 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Perrin tested this... even with a ton of meth... the tempering of the air that an intercooler does still allowed significantly more boost If the car was running straight meth as fuel... i'd say screw it leave it off... but meth injection just doesn't have enough volume to work well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruggerheist Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 in that blog they said that the intercooler was the best way to go. they just wanted to f around because they can. its not like the intercooler is adding a ton of weight to the car, just a few feet of piping to flow through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedgrocerygetter Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 Don't think they were really looking at the weight aspect of it. Deleting an intercooler. Removes boost drop across an intercooler and will also improve response time. My buddy has a notch back mustang with a turboed ls1 that he runs straight meth on it can be done and in most cases work as well as an intercooler, with the right tune 100% meth instead of a 50/50 mix and the right setup of nozzles. The issue is if the system fails. You have to have fails safe systems setup to cut out boost and reset timing to keep from harming your motor. So question is, is it worth it on a dd? IMHO hell no too much hassle and too much down time if the system fails. Be it a pump issue, electrical issue, or a clogged jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDKSDMF Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 speaking of obscure intercoolers there actually was a thread where someone had installed a air to water intercooler. pretty......cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordchilly Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Jim...add all the meth kits in the world....your MT can't touch my 5EAT!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSpeed Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 The guy with the air to water intercooler PM'ed me and said if I hadn't tried it, not to do it, as it wasn't worth it. The early 80's turbo cars had no intercoolers because turbocharging a production car was a new thing. Most of them were limited to around 8psi, and most of the early attempts weren't all that great (they got better). People run e85 with lots of power with no intercooler like in the video below... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MQ17qWaXgM]ER 10 6@125 92 Talon TSI AWD Auto EVOIII 16g - YouTube[/ame] I wouldn't do it on a daily driver, just from the failure possibilities perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzerklo Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 My buddy has a notch back mustang with a turboed ls1 that he runs straight meth on it can be done and in most cases work as well as an intercooler, with the right tune 100% meth instead of a 50/50 mix and the right setup of nozzles. Who puts a Chevy motor in a Ford? BLASPHEMY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedgrocerygetter Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 lol yea but the 1000 whp trumps that BLASPHEMY. he did it for weight resons though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodog Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 That article makes me think that there might be some people messing with cars that don't understand ideal gas law: PV=nRT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law To keep things relatively equal, they should have watched the MAF readings and pushed the boost higher to reach roughly the same mass air flow levels, given the higher charge temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated thefultonhow Posted June 26, 2012 I Donated Share Posted June 26, 2012 Ah, Japan, Australia, Europe all got chargecoolers. Why they would delete it for US I don't know... edit: OK you guys got the SOHC 2.2 with only 163hp while the rest of the world got the DOHC 2.0 with 217hp. I guess this is one of those rare instances where the rest of the world > the US. Rest of the world, rejoice! Actually, the EJ22T was THE block to use until the EJ257/255 came out. IIRC, most of the 2.0 blocks were open-deck; the EJ22T was closed-deck. I think people generally put on DOHC heads, though. BAC can correct me on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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