EmtJay33 Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hey guys can I go catless dp/up and still pass emissions in Mass? Or would I be better or with a highflow catted DP and catless up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Technically removing or modifying any working catalyst is illegal. Realistically so long as you dont throw a P0420 catalyst below threshold CEL, you'll pass, unless they want to climb underneath and do a visual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgwai Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 i believe that even modifiying any part of your exhaust is illegal too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmtJay33 Posted February 15, 2008 Author Share Posted February 15, 2008 so from what you guys are saying in order to pass state inspection my exhaust has to be 100% stock? How do I see so many new cars with exhaust mods that have valid inspection stickers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 so from what you guys are saying in order to pass state inspection my exhaust has to be 100% stock? How do I see so many new cars with exhaust mods that have valid inspection stickers? As long as you pass the OBD test and the muffler does not exceed threshold DB you pass. Removal of a cat, IF it is possible to visually verify can fail you. Use friendly shop! "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 No, it doesn't have to be stock. If you look into the regulations, i believe you can modify the exhaust, but you cannot increase the noise output of the vehicle. The chances of getting a ticket for a mild exhaust is almost nothing, obviously, but if you put catless pipes on, and a no muffler or very loud muffler setup on your car, then you increase the risk of getting pulled. Now, granted, most states have similar laws (CT does, i know) but if you keep it reasonable, you should have no issue. When you start messing with the emission system (egr, cats, etc) is where you can start to get in more than a fixitticket problem, and if you look at EPA's fines... the decision is up to you. Keep it civil, and dont give anyone a reason to pull you over, and you should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 I did not think that noise amendment passed in MA? It used to be it you could have it up to a certain db level. If that is now the case, it may not be legal to modify the exhaust at all? However it seems nune of us have had an issue passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakgwai Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 here's the law http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/90-16.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 I did not think that noise amendment passed in MA? It used to be it you could have it up to a certain db level. If that is now the case, it may not be legal to modify the exhaust at all? However it seems nune of us have had an issue passing. There is a max DB level, and many cops carry DB meters. It is legal to add a new exhaust (after market) as long as it passes the DB test. As for gutting a cat, they got to get to it first.! Put on a catless up pipe and a catted down pipe. As for exhaust, I like the stealth of quiet. "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Yeah: i thought the current law only had a max db rating, in edition to the retention of emissions controls. But i remember there was talk about amending it to stock noise or something: all my biker friends were freaking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBad Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 You can do a CBE no problem and pass in MA. I have a greddy SP2 on my wagon, stage 1 plus TDC tune and have passed. I have never been stopped or hasseled by the cops for noise from the exhaust either. Going stage 2 without hi-flow cats would be a problem. Going stage 2 with hi-flow cats is better but there is no absolute guarantee that you will pass emissions, however many members here have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topher Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Know someone at a shop but you still gotta watch out for those pesky staties. They're looking to pull you over for anything and that would be an ideal one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 looks like that amendment made it according to hakgwai: "No person shall use a muffler cut-out or by-pass. No person shall operate a motor vehicle on any way which motor vehicle is equipped (1) with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts have been removed and not replaced; or (2) with an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 looks like that amendment made it according to hakgwai: "No person shall use a muffler cut-out or by-pass. No person shall operate a motor vehicle on any way which motor vehicle is equipped (1) with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts have been removed and not replaced; or (2) with an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust." This was directed at MCs. It does not preclude an after market mufler. Note the bold type. "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I think there is plenty of room for argument there as well. However it is worded as such to include all motor vehicles. And i think part (2) would be more of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I think there is plenty of room for argument there as well. However it is worded as such to include all motor vehicles. And i think part (2) would be more of an issue. My point is, that it is easy to look at an MC exhaust system. It is VERY hard to see the cat system on a Subie. If you get stopped by a cop, it is unlikely (and actually illegal) for him to even pop the hood for a look IF the exhaust is not noisy. It is easy to look at the DP to see if there is a cat. It is almost impossible to look at the UP with the engine cover on. "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8ingvector Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Agreed...my concern was to the legality of it. Although it seems as long as there is at least one working cat, no cels, and you are not obnoxiously loud: you are going to be ok. It may not actually be legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 No person shall operate a motor vehicle on any way which motor vehicle is equipped (1) with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts have been removed and not replaced; or (2) with an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust. Part 2 is thought to mean the exhaust should be no louder than the stock exhaust was. This is purely subjective. Plenty of Subaru Impreza WRX STi owners with stock exhausts have been pulled over and ticketed because the cop assumed that the chrome (stainless steel) was too loud and obviously not stock. Current emission testing for all 1996+ OBD-II vehicles in Massachusetts is limited to a simple OBD-II diagnostic scan, and a quick "visual". There is no guarantee that they wont at some point in the future also require a random tailpipe probe testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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