GeorgeB Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 we all know the limited series legacy blitzen . my question is this : did porsche give any type of new tehnology to subaru :O 'cause i'm kindda surprised to find out that subaru worked with porsche on this project. all i found out so far is that subaru went to industrial design specialists Porsche Design for help in designing much of the bodywork for the Blitzen.perhaps it's also where the german naming came from, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nKoan Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I believe there was no input from Porsche Engineering, only Porsche Design. Porsche and Subaru go way back, to the post-WWII era when Subaru learned how to develop boxer style motors from Porsche/Volkswagen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Porsche and Subaru go way back, to the post-WWII era when Subaru learned how to develop boxer style motors from Porsche/Volkswagen.I read that all the time in forums but I've never found any evidence that it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IwannaSportSedan Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 FHI would have been a little out of it to not dissect a Porsche boxer engine in order to develop one of their own... It would be like saying that Subaru tried octagonal wheels before realizing that other companies were using round ones... Whether Porshce and FHI were cooperating actively, I have no idea. But German and Japanese technology cooperation previously had generated some of the beginning engineering in the areas of both jet aircraft, as well as rocketry. German and Japanese engineers after WWII came to the US to work, including some from Nakajima Aircraft (SP?) the big predecessor to Fuji Heavy Industries, the parent of Subaru. A german-japanese connection with automotive engineering would not be unheard of, especially later after the reconstruction of Germany and Japan by the United States, and the rest of the allies. As for the Blitzen, I believe the previous generation had a PorscheDesign body kit. and the twin sequential turbo 2.0 flat four from the RSK model. I am not sure that the body kit for the 2005 Blitzen sedan, or the 06 Touring wagon were done by PorscheDesign, but perhaps it is... but it is basically a dressed 2.0 GT Spec B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 There's no evidence that Porsche has ever provided engineering assistance/services to FHI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nKoan Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 ']There's no evidence that Porsche has ever provided engineering assistance/services to FHI. They have in the past, but I think you are right; there is nothing to support the WWII claim I made. http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Porsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in CT Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 They have in the past, but I think you are right; there is nothing to support the WWII claim I made. http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/PorscheThat's the Wikipedia entry for Porsche. It is technically correct. FHI did contract with Porsche Engineering Group for the styling of the first Legacy Blitzen. Subaru Japan's webpages at the time referred to Porsche Design as having provided design assistance. But the company that is called Porsche Design Group now is unlikely to have helped FHI style the Blitzen (see http://www.porsche-design.com/live/PD_Company_Portrait_en.PorscheDesign?ActiveID=44417). My problem is that people keep asserting that Porsche Engineering Group has helped FHI with engineering (not styling) services. Maybe Porsche has helped, but there is no way to say for sure, unless FHI itself reports it. Porsche Engineering Group will not reveal a list of clients along with the work they've done for them. The Subaru Japan site no longer mentions Porsche, so there's much doubt about whether they had any part in the styling of the latest Blitzens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynder Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 http://www.subaru.co.jp/blitzen2005/ Just so everyone knows what they're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4_Maniac Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 and if you guys want....you can flip trough my pics of the Tokyo Auto Show to see the Blitzen Legacy Wagon. It was a pain to get those shots..cuz unlike the lucky guys at AVO I had to go in with the massses.. B4 http://www.michaelclee.com/pics/tms_05_pat/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
executor485 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I want those rims... Those look schaweet... If I pass you on the right, I'm flipping you off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohmer1 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Holy crap, that Skyline is nothing like what I pictured it to be (I thought it was going to be a rebadged g35 coupe with a crazy motor). SOOOOO effing hot! That is perfection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohmer1 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Sorry for the hijack, but: http://www.michaelclee.com/pics/tms_05_pat/images/DSC02088%20(Large).jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohmer1 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 http://www.michaelclee.com/pics/tms_05_pat/images/DSC02087%20(Large).jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4_Maniac Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 The Blitzen Sedan and Wagon are both very nice cars. I went to see the Sedan when it first arrived in showrooms here in Japan. Too bad they are automatic only, with no mechanical changes. It's all cosmetic. B4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan2 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 All the stuff about Porsche started with the B4, because Subaru did have exploratory discussions with them about "stuff" - mostly chassis tuning as far as we know. Then a gent from Porsche commented to some hack that the car was so fundamentally well done that they did not feel they could add value and stood aside - so in effect Porsche Design (which is very different from the car guys) helped with styling on the Blitzen of 2000, and those wheels stayed till the end of the BE/BH era. The new car has very little to do with P. D. AFAIK. The first of the BL/BP era Blitzens was based on the GT (long gearing, soft suspension, 17" rims, not much special about it other than the bling bits). It did not sell up a storm as the BE/BH era cars had things like upgraded brakes and a front diff on the manuals to make them more than just a pretty face. The Blitzen at TMS is based on the spec B (stiffer suspension, 18" rims, a lot more aggro in its stance). It certainly had more impact than the last one that (IMHO) looked rather weak. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakuun Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yeah baby, That Skyline is totaly hawt!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4_Maniac Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yeah baby, That Skyline is totaly hawt!!! Can we thread jack a little more please..thank you... B4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakuun Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Did we mention how HAWT the Skyline is... I mean JUST LOOK AT T3H HAWTNESS.. http://www.michaelclee.com/pics/tms_05_pat/images/DSC02088%20(Large).jpg ....ask and ye shall have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeB Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 hmmm ... /me checks ... maybe wrong forum ... http://www.legacygt.com nope ... i'm not mistaking can a moderator / admin do a thread split ? tks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psucaptainkickass Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Is there a place I can go to get high quality wallpapers of the Blitzen sedan??? I saw the flash page on the Subaru of Japan page, but didn't see any wallpapers there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeB Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 i have some of the ex model ... i think i usually do them myself print screen -> corel ... job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triniexr Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 I want that rear bumper!!! How can I get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
executor485 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 So... If I had the choice... Skyline... oh yea... HOTT... If I pass you on the right, I'm flipping you off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FARIS Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 does anyone know if the blitzen is a continuing model for 06-07 or is it just a limited production vehicle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iyamdman Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 I thought posting the photos would help the dicussion: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/iyamdman/2005-Blitzen-Legacy-1-s.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/iyamdman/2005-Blitzen-Legacy-2-s.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/iyamdman/2005-Blitzen-Legacy-3-s.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/iyamdman/2005-Blitzen-Legacy-4-s.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/iyamdman/2005-Blitzen-Legacy-5-s.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/iyamdman/2005-Blitzen-Legacy-6-s.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/iyamdman/2005-Blitzen-Legacy-7-s.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/iyamdman/2005-Blitzen-Legacy-8-s.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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