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http://blog.perrinperformance.com/your-sti-doesnt-need-an-intercooler-right/

 

Found this on my Facebook page. My friend that has a turboed ls1 and his friend with 2jz are both running straight meth. He was tryin to talk me into this route but looks like i was right when I decided to stay safe and stick with my plan to go front mounted.

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Turbo first-gen Legacys didn't have intercoolers.

 

I'm not a fan of meth, but it CAN replace an intercooler.

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Exactly. You are F'd if something goes wrong with the meth setup. It'll work, but when it doesn't you are in trouble.
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Yea I have read of people putting in fail safes to kill all boost if the system fails and to reset timing but it seems like to much of a hassle for minimal gain if any at all.

 

Honestly they prolly would have seen better results with straight meth and bigger sprayers. But still just not worth it. I'd rather be safe and add meth to an intercooler as a added perk. Not my main source of air charge cooling.

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They had chargecoolers, water to air.

 

Only in Japan.

 

I owned two of the US versions. I know what I'm talking about.

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Ah, Japan, Australia, Europe all got chargecoolers. Why they would delete it for US I don't know... edit: OK you guys got the SOHC 2.2 with only 163hp while the rest of the world got the DOHC 2.0 with 217hp. I guess this is one of those rare instances where the rest of the world > the US. Rest of the world, rejoice!
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I was talking in more general terms, but your cars are so cheap it's hard to feel sympathy.

 

Random pick, Jag XFR in the US about 80k in Australia over 200k.

 

Anyway, I should've learned by now not to post in any techie threads on US forums, your cars are all arse-backwards.

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Perrin tested this... even with a ton of meth... the tempering of the air that an intercooler does still allowed significantly more boost

 

 

If the car was running straight meth as fuel... i'd say screw it leave it off... but meth injection just doesn't have enough volume to work well.

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Don't think they were really looking at the weight aspect of it. Deleting an intercooler. Removes boost drop across an intercooler and will also improve response time. My buddy has a notch back mustang with a turboed ls1 that he runs straight meth on it can be done and in most cases work as well as an intercooler, with the right tune 100% meth instead of a 50/50 mix and the right setup of nozzles.

 

The issue is if the system fails. You have to have fails safe systems setup to cut out boost and reset timing to keep from harming your motor. So question is, is it worth it on a dd? IMHO hell no too much hassle and too much down time if the system fails. Be it a pump issue, electrical issue, or a clogged jet.

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The guy with the air to water intercooler PM'ed me and said if I hadn't tried it, not to do it, as it wasn't worth it.

 

The early 80's turbo cars had no intercoolers because turbocharging a production car was a new thing. Most of them were limited to around 8psi, and most of the early attempts weren't all that great (they got better).

 

People run e85 with lots of power with no intercooler like in the video below...

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MQ17qWaXgM]ER 10 6@125 92 Talon TSI AWD Auto EVOIII 16g - YouTube[/ame]

 

I wouldn't do it on a daily driver, just from the failure possibilities perspective.

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My buddy has a notch back mustang with a turboed ls1 that he runs straight meth on it can be done and in most cases work as well as an intercooler, with the right tune 100% meth instead of a 50/50 mix and the right setup of nozzles.

 

Who puts a Chevy motor in a Ford? BLASPHEMY.

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That article makes me think that there might be some people messing with cars that don't understand ideal gas law: PV=nRT

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law

 

To keep things relatively equal, they should have watched the MAF readings and pushed the boost higher to reach roughly the same mass air flow levels, given the higher charge temps.

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Ah, Japan, Australia, Europe all got chargecoolers. Why they would delete it for US I don't know... edit: OK you guys got the SOHC 2.2 with only 163hp while the rest of the world got the DOHC 2.0 with 217hp. I guess this is one of those rare instances where the rest of the world > the US. Rest of the world, rejoice!

 

Actually, the EJ22T was THE block to use until the EJ257/255 came out. IIRC, most of the 2.0 blocks were open-deck; the EJ22T was closed-deck. I think people generally put on DOHC heads, though. BAC can correct me on that.

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