Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Well, convinced the wife that we should take the wagon to PA this weekend instead of the van. We left tonight--uneventful drive until we were about 30 minutes out from Royersford, PA when a clicking noise started to show up while in 5th or 6th gear. Fast forward, and the noise now occurs in every gear. -It is pretty constant in volume -The speed of the clicking is directly related to the speed of the car, not the engine -Not much tactile sensation through the shifter, although you can feel that something is going on -Sound is akin to sticking a playing card in the spokes of a bicycle wheel; has that kind of general "feel" to it. Since the 6mt was recently put it, I'm thinking it's some sort of issue with the reverse lockout cable making contact with the driveshaft. If anyone has any input I would really appreciate it given that I'm about 200 miles from home. Also, if anyone is in the Royersford, PA area and can lend a hand, or more importantly a jack / pair of ramps, that would be awesome. I feel like I need to get the car up and take a look underneath before driving back on Monday, thanks! Video of the noise: http://s934.photobucket.com/user/BarManBean/media/358DB5D2-F479-427D-B4D2-FAE5A72825BE-59611-00004CEB9EBF4820_zpsb6e9a09f.mp4.html "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruggerheist Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Are we still meeting tomorrow? I can bring my jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruggerheist Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Or if you want to drive the 20 minutes to Gilbertsville you can jack it up in my driveway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Or if you want to drive the 20 minutes to Gilbertsville you can jack it up in my driveway If you have tools and whatnot at your place I may just do that. While I'd prefer not to drive it, I don't think any damage is going on and jacking it up here really won't do me much good since I don't really have any tools. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil03mustang Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Trying to listen, but photosuckit keeps saying "buffering." FRUSTRATING! OK... heard like 4 seconds of it.. does sound more like an attached component vibrating... might be your lockout cable, could be some other light weight but vibration-prone component shaking like a heat shield or the o2 sensor wire rattling on the head shield or something dumb like that... I'm literally the whole way across the state so I'm no help to you as far as diag or resolution goes... from the video it sounds less internal (gears and whatnot) than external (cables, etc) though, if it makes you feel any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Check your bolts on the driveshaft to the rear diff. Sounds like on has come loose. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Trying to listen, but photosuckit keeps saying "buffering." FRUSTRATING! Let me try and fix that. Edit: currently uploaded to youtube. Will post it up once that's done. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil03mustang Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 OK I listened more... Uncertain now. Mine was making a similar noise. I replaced the whole d@mn thing. It isn't making noise anymore. :shrug: I sure hope your output shaft bearings haven't gone to crap on you. Jack stands are in your future, if only for proper and thorough diagnosis... I know I'd be freaking out if it were me. Wait for more opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 OK I listened more... Uncertain now. Mine was making a similar noise. I replaced the whole d@mn thing. It isn't making noise anymore. :shrug: I sure hope your output shaft bearings haven't gone to crap on you. Jack stands are in your future, if only for proper and thorough diagnosis... I know I'd be freaking out if it were me. Wait for more opinions. Yeah, we'll see. It's really a pronounce noise that pretty much came out of no where. Within 5 miles it went from non-existent to completely there. Not sure if bearings go that quickly? Either way Andrewtech just put the transmission in so hopefully they can help out a bit if needed. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil03mustang Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Best of luck to you, I hope for your sake it's nothing serious... obviously!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Check your bolts on the driveshaft to the rear diff. Sounds like on has come loose. Yeah, my checking will focus on the driveshaft right now, both front and rear. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil03mustang Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Yeah, my checking will focus on the driveshaft right now, both front and rear. What about the center shaft bearing where the front and rear shafts come together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Best thing is to get it on a lift and run it through the gears while you listen from below. From the Spec B 6MT diagnostic table Symptom 3. Noise emitted from transmission NOTE: If a noise is heard when the vehicle is parked with its engine idling and ceases when the clutch is disengaged, it may be considered that the noise is coming from the transmission. Possible Cause and Corrective Action (a) Insufficient or improper lubrication Replenish or replace with the specified amount of recommended oil. Replenish or replace with the specified amount of recommended oil. (b) Worn or damaged gears and bearings NOTE: If the trouble is only wear of the gear teeth surfaces, only a high whirring noise will occur at high speeds, but if any part is broken, rhythmical clicking sounds will be heard even at low speeds. Replace broken parts. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil03mustang Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 drain and strain... large chunks on your drain plug magnet are obviously never a good sign.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Well, Rester and possibly Ruggerheist are going to help out in the morning. Hoping to find something obvious then--if not then I'm unfortunately going to start to lean towards something output-related. It never ends, really--it never ends. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Best thing is to get it on a lift and run it through the gears while you listen from below. From the Spec B 6MT diagnostic table Symptom 3. Noise emitted from transmission NOTE: If a noise is heard when the vehicle is parked with its engine idling and ceases when the clutch is disengaged, it may be considered that the noise is coming from the transmission. Possible Cause and Corrective Action (a) Insufficient or improper lubrication Replenish or replace with the specified amount of recommended oil. Replenish or replace with the specified amount of recommended oil. (b) Worn or damaged gears and bearings NOTE: If the trouble is only wear of the gear teeth surfaces, only a high whirring noise will occur at high speeds, but if any part is broken, rhythmical clicking sounds will be heard even at low speeds. Replace broken parts. Thanks for that info. If nothing is obvious I'll probably have to try and get it somewhere on Monday. Knowing how most good shops are so booked up though, I'm not hopeful--unfortunately the most reasonable thing going through my head is to get it towed back down to Andrewtech (expensive) and I'll be force to get a rental car of some sort. Awesome. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Good luck man. Hope it's something as simple as a something that has lodged between the under shield and the driveshaft and rubs against a U-Joint / shaft part when the trans flexes under load. Check every crack and crevice under the car that is near any external rotating part. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Unfortunately, this sounds strikingly similar and the general description is similar: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2103908. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Got your PM. I'd like to put your mind at ease & say it's your lockout cable rubbing the driveshaft... but of course I can't be 100% sure. It sounded exactly like that when I had my trouble--wheel-speed-dependent, not engine speed. Does it go away when you change gears? My noise was prevalent in 1, 3, and 5, IIRC. It just depends on how your cable is oriented. In fact, my noise has come back recently, and very quietly, but it's there. I just haven't gotten under the car to address it. I bought spiral wrap over a month ago but never installed it. The wrap should secure the cable securely without binding like a too-tight zip tie. Also... if it's making contact with any amount of force on it, like mine was, you want to clear it up quickly. I fixed mine following a 3- or 4-mile, 30-40 mph test ride after installing the new cable, and the damage surprised me. 20 miles & I probably would have needed a new cable. Good luck man! Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Got your PM. I'd like to put your mind at ease & say it's your lockout cable rubbing the driveshaft... but of course I can't be 100% sure. It sounded exactly like that when I had my trouble--wheel-speed-dependent, not engine speed. Does it go away when you change gears? My noise was prevalent in 1, 3, and 5, IIRC. It just depends on how your cable is oriented. In fact, my noise has come back recently, and very quietly, but it's there. I just haven't gotten under the car to address it. I bought spiral wrap over a month ago but never installed it. The wrap should secure the cable securely without binding like a too-tight zip tie. Also... if it's making contact with any amount of force on it, like mine was, you want to clear it up quickly. I fixed mine following a 3- or 4-mile, 30-40 mph test ride after installing the new cable, and the damage surprised me. 20 miles & I probably would have needed a new cable. Good luck man! Thanks for the reply, somewhat encouraging at least. Alright, I'm not gonna flip out until I get a look at things tomorrow. In general I'm past the point of flipping out with this car anyway (if it breaks I'll likely just fix it), but damn I was really feeling like things were just about perfect. Go figure! "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Was going to mention the lock-out cable but figured Andrewtech had done enough of these to make sure. Hope it's that simple. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Just tested that the car goes into reverse and it does, so at the very least the cable doesn't seem to be broken. Will know more in the morning. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellyssian Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Gilbertsville is a lot closer to you than Marietta, but if you still need help, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted December 29, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted December 29, 2013 Obvious problem was obvious--lockout cable was making contact with the driveshaft. Some damage to the cable, but overall not too bad. For now I just adjusted the shifter to pull the cable up a good bit and will have to figure out a better solution for the underside of the car in the future. Thanks everyone for the help, especially to Rester for stopping by early this morning! "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Problem identified, on-the-road solution implemented, fixed when you return. Enjoy the rest of your trip. - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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