David E Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I am looking for a shop to swap a turbo motor into my 1999 non-turbo car. My car is a 1999 Legacy Outback 30th Anniversary Wagon with the 2.5 and automatic. Current motor has 222,xxx miles and in looking around at other Subarus, including WRXs I've decided I'd rather spend my car money to turbo my existing car than buy something else. So, can anyone direct me to a shop that can do a quality swap, no codes etc, gotta pass emissions. Not looking for max hp, has to live with an automatic. I'm in Houston, TX so closer would be better, but distance is not a deal breaker. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Donated broknindarkagain Posted January 19, 2015 I Donated Share Posted January 19, 2015 The automatic transmission (especially with that many miles on it) won't be very happy or long lasting with the added power of a turbo engine. With that being said though, I sent this link to a friend in the Houston area who may be able to help you. -broknindarkagain My Current Project - Click Here COME AND TAKE IT "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David E Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Thanks for any help. Over the years the car has had at least the following dine: JDM headlights w/LED strips Radiator / water pump Alternator Power steering pump Steering rack Head gaskets Tranny rebuild Auto dimming compass Radar detector WRX seats Catalytic converters 16" Subaru wheels I obviously want to keep this car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David E Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 Just want to say again, distance is not a necessarily deal breaker. I am willing to drive the car and leave it for some time if the outcome and price are right. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 A 2.0 or 2.2 swap with a TDO4 would be perfect for a 4EAT. Are there any local Subaru forums you can join to find some nutballs to help you out? Are you opposed to building up a 4EAT to handle some more power? The 4EAT on my wife's SS has no problem handling the little VF12 (just a teeny bit smaller than a TD04). As much as I love a 5MT I think 4EATs are great. They shift so smooth and make for a comfy ride. Do you want to source your own motor or just drop the car off, set it and forget it? Or do you want to boost what you already have? I bet you'd be happy with a wrx swap. Budget? Power goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGR81 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What is the difference between the first gen turbo 2.2 and the second gen non turbo 2.2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTris Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What is the difference between the first gen turbo 2.2 and the second gen non turbo 2.2 ? About the same as the difference between, say, Jason Statham and that kid that plays Corky. Sub'd for kaboom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David E Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 I am open to all options on the swap, although I'm not going to throw stupid money at it. If the 4EAT has to be beefed up, so be it, but I'd want to look at a 5EAT at that point. For all I know that is a complete non-starter. Swap in a complete motor/transmission from a turbo automatic 5EAT? I'd probably want to do the deal turn-key, so the shop could source, build-up what we agree is best based on their experience. Would have to have good documentation for maintenance down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What is the difference between the first gen turbo 2.2 and the second gen non turbo 2.2 ? First gen 2.2 is the famous EJ22T. Same bore as the first and second gen EJ22, #3 thrust bearing like phase 1 EJ22Es (although this isn't an advantage over the phase 2 EJ22s with #5 thrust). However it is made of a denser aluminum, thicker sleeves, has piston oil squirters, and most importantly is a closed deck block meaning there is extra material surrounding the cylinder bores on the mating surface where the cylinder heads meet. http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/henry616/Mobile%20Uploads/94B94CD0-A430-452D-81D0-DCEB6F5A9A79_zpso77haqco.jpg Here you can see one of the oil squirters. http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/henry616/Mobile%20Uploads/72A56EEA-E697-486D-AF68-80CE808C8339_zpsvo5bal4o.jpg And here you can see the closed deck design on my block that I picked up from the machine shop yesterday. These blocks are capable of 26-30 psi (with forged internals) and are sought after certain nutballs who want monster boxer builds. Hope you don't mind the thread jack David. David, have you thought about importing a front clip of a JDM vehicle? It would have everything needed for your swap and there are some places in Texas that specialize in JDM imports. Then you get to select the power train and could drop off the clip and your car at the shop of your choosing to perform the swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGR81 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 So essentially you could swap the ej22t into a second gen. But would it be plug and play or would there be some issues with it. I'm just curious because some first gens had turbos with an auto transmission. http://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/JF1BJ6738PH902518 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTris Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 There will likely be some issues with the TCU and your current 4EAT. The transmissions between 1st and 2nd gen were not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Definitely not plug and play with the 22t. Only way is if you have the complete 22t engine and remove the wiring harness and have iwire merge the 22t harness with your L harness which will set you back $800 but very worth it IMHO. But in your case having a 95 L is the best case scenario as far as emissions are concerned. 95 was the transition year between obd1 and obd2 so in my state they treat a 95 as obd1. So potentially if you leave two harnesses you can run the 22t ecu. If you have the time to pull the block, complete exhaust, and wiring harness from that touring wagon!!! Looks clean! 22ts are getting more and more rare. You can sell the block halves to nutballs in the uk for at least $600. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David E Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 I would think the easiest swap for me would be the turbo engine out of a '99 GT wagon that had an automatic. But I do not have the mechanical skills to pull that off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTris Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I would think the easiest swap for me would be the turbo engine out of a '99 GT wagon that had an automatic. But I do not have the mechanical skills to pull that off. USDM didn't have turbos in that generation. Now you're talking a JDM swap, which is also a very complex, and different ball of wax.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The rare Baja turbo had an auto. Find one of those and pay a shop to swap it all over. You'd be doing the world a favor since they a hideous, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTris Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The rare Baja turbo had an auto. Find one of those and pay a shop to swap it all over. You'd be doing the world a favor since they a hideous, lol. Turbo Baja is a rare beast, indeed. Not very nice to rip it apart for a swap, even if they're ugly. It's identical to the 4th gen LGT, which, again, presents its own swap issues and isn't recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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