Scooby2.5 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Post up some pics like to see what they look like from frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 ^Please and TYIA - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I only have the "as shipped" photos Frank sent me (previously posted in this thread, I think)... and they're not great: http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/27/4enuve5y.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/27/azera4ez.jpg I should have taken some at the shop yesterday. Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Here's a guy in AZ on NASIOC selling an '05 6-speed for cheap: Link Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) So, new gear ratios, as I understand them, will be: OLD:___________New:_______ _______________1st - 3.636 1st - 3.166_______________ _______________2nd - 2.235 2nd - 1.882_______________ _______________3rd - 1.521 3rd - 1.296_______________ _______________4th - 1.137 4th - 0.972_______________ _______________5th - 0.971 5th - 0.780_______________ _______________6th - 0.756 I used this fancy table I found on a Jeep site, and calculated the following: Combined ratios (old 4.11 FD, new 3.90 FD): OLD:___________New:_______ _______________1st - 14.18 1st - 13.01_______________ _______________2nd - 8.72 2nd - 7.74_______________ _______________3rd - 5.93 3rd - 5.33_______________ _______________4th - 4.43 4th - 3.99_______________ _______________5th - 3.79 5th - 3.21_______________ _______________6th - 2.95 Calculated speed in MPH at 3,000 RPM with 225/40/18 tires: OLD:___________New:_______ _______________1st - 16 1st - 17_______________ _______________2nd - 26 2nd - 29_______________ _______________3rd - 38 3rd - 42_______________ _______________4th - 51 4th - 56_______________ _______________5th - 59 5th - 70_______________ _______________6th - 76 Does that all sound about right? Edited August 28, 2013 by DeltaNu1142 Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxiboy Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 ^ re-gear 5 & 6 to Spec B ratios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 ^ re-gear 5 & 6 to Spec B ratios That would be nice, but any 6MT would be an improvement. If what I posted is correct, even the 08+ STi transmission provides a wider range from 1-6 than the Legacy manual does from 1-5. That's not the case with the earlier STi 6MT's, IIRC. Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_ster Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 So, new gear ratios, as I understand them, will be: OLD:___________New:_______ _______________1st - 3.636 1st - 3.166_______________ _______________2nd - 2.235 2nd - 1.882_______________ _______________3rd - 1.521 3rd - 1.296_______________ _______________4th - 1.137 4th - 0.972_______________ _______________5th - 0.971 5th - 0.780_______________ _______________6th - 0.756 I used this fancy table I found on a Jeep site, and calculated the following: Combined ratios (old 4.11 FD, new 3.90 FD): OLD:___________New:_______ _______________1st - 14.18 1st - 13.01_______________ _______________2nd - 8.72 2nd - 7.74_______________ _______________3rd - 5.93 3rd - 5.33_______________ _______________4th - 4.43 4th - 3.99_______________ _______________5th - 3.79 5th - 3.21_______________ _______________6th - 2.95 Calculated speed in MPH at 3,000 RPM with 225/40/18 tires: OLD:___________New:_______ _______________1st - 16 1st - 17_______________ _______________2nd - 26 2nd - 29_______________ _______________3rd - 38 3rd - 42_______________ _______________4th - 51 4th - 56_______________ _______________5th - 59 5th - 70_______________ _______________6th - 76 Does that all sound about right? 2.71 total ratio in a 5 eat in 5th Now that's thinking out of the boxer! fyi all 05 + legacy's have built in code reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 2.71 total ratio in a 5 eat in 5th Please post this in the "5EAT Master Swap thread." Oh... wait a minute... Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_ster Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 yea .. all the cool people are swapping to 5 eats .. Now that's thinking out of the boxer! fyi all 05 + legacy's have built in code reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBT Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 So, new gear ratios, as I understand them, will be: OLD:___________New:_______ _______________1st - 3.636 1st - 3.166_______________ _______________2nd - 2.235 2nd - 1.882_______________ _______________3rd - 1.521 3rd - 1.296_______________ _______________4th - 1.137 4th - 0.972_______________ _______________5th - 0.971 5th - 0.780_______________ _______________6th - 0.756 I used this fancy table I found on a Jeep site, and calculated the following: Combined ratios (old 4.11 FD, new 3.90 FD): OLD:___________New:_______ _______________1st - 14.18 1st - 13.01_______________ _______________2nd - 8.72 2nd - 7.74_______________ _______________3rd - 5.93 3rd - 5.33_______________ _______________4th - 4.43 4th - 3.99_______________ _______________5th - 3.79 5th - 3.21_______________ _______________6th - 2.95 Calculated speed in MPH at 3,000 RPM with 225/40/18 tires: OLD:___________New:_______ _______________1st - 16 1st - 17_______________ _______________2nd - 26 2nd - 29_______________ _______________3rd - 38 3rd - 42_______________ _______________4th - 51 4th - 56_______________ _______________5th - 59 5th - 70_______________ _______________6th - 76 Does that all sound about right? Yes - just means you'll be shifting more and more often with the 6MT - down-side IMHO, but worth it overall. And you'll see a slight bit of improvement in mileage in 5th and 6th versus what you'd see in the 5MT in 5th only. ^ re-gear 5 & 6 to Spec B ratios This is exactly what I hope to do, when the time comes. Hope to rebuild it actually to my own specs and distribute more of the LGT 1-2 meat across the 1st-2nd STI trans, keep STI 3rd-4th and add the Spec B 5th-6th - Pro amore Dei et patriam et populum - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Yes - just means you'll be shifting more and more often with the 6MT - down-side IMHO, but worth it overall. The biggest upside that I can see is that my transmission will be less likely to detonate in the near future...! Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisthenewsic Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 heres my list of parts/part numbers and pricing from my complete 6 speed swap for anyone looking to do the swap. i did not shortcut or cheap out on any parts. alot of parts were new or very very low miles 06 sti transmission w/shift linkage $2,500 06sti rear diff $425 rear spec b axles $750 dealership 28421AG03B rear diff axle seals $20 both 806732200 driveshaft 6 speed/r180 (spec b/05-09 4eat) $600 1(866)4556622 Jeff Driveshaft Specialist (i went with custom built, not auto driveshaft) spec b shifter rod $31 35041AG020 spec b shifter stay $51 35031AG020 Downpipe support bracket $24 44021fe030 6mt clutch hose $27 goodridge 6mt slave cylinder $50 Reverse lockout cable $75 35060ag010 clutch kit(act hd-ss sti) $650 circuitmotorsports sti flywheel $100 cobb sts/knob/bushings $190 (used 6 speed) torque solutions(engine/trans/pitch mount) $485 mtrperformance.com (only need trans mount but i replaced all of them) clutch fork spring $8 whiteline rear diff bushing $130 rallysportdirect.com kdt901/903/905 (extras i added to tighten up the drivetrain spec b rear aluminum diff mount $133 41310ag040 05 STi 6MT front half shaft seals $20 both L/H 806735240 R/H 806735230 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 OK... I've got $7,644, does that sound about right? Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 heres my list of parts/part numbers and pricing from my complete 6 speed swap for anyone looking to do the swap. i did not shortcut or cheap out on any parts. alot of parts were new or very very low miles Why did you go with a special driveshaft? Is it aluminum? 1-piece? -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisthenewsic Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I did not want to buy a used automatic driveshaft. I wanted to replace as many parts as possible with brand new parts. Also to run a auto driveshaft you have to swap the diff flange and the custom driveshaft I had built is a lot beefier than the auto driveshaft. I'm doing a built where I plan to make 550-600whp on e85 so I'd rather no risk having a part fail on a used driveshaft(u joints Ect) I did a custom 2 piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_ster Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 ^ lol the stock auto drive shaft is fine .. trust me ! Now that's thinking out of the boxer! fyi all 05 + legacy's have built in code reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby2.5 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 ^ lol the stock auto drive shaft is fine .. trust me ! Exactly. I'm running 425 ft lb wheel torque in an outback XT with a 2.5i 4eat sedan driveshaft. Fits perfect and works perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisthenewsic Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Not saying it can't handle it, I'm saying with higher mileage, and higher hp it puts strain on the joints. Will an auto driveshaft work. Yes. Would I rather do preventative maintence and spend the extra 400$ and do it once. And never have to worry about it again. I plan to track my car, so it's gonna be put under load alot more than a daily where you might do a few pulls here and there. Edited September 13, 2013 by thisisthenewsic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisthenewsic Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I paid about 600$ or so for my driveshaft shipped. A used driveshaft was about 150$ plus shipping. So around 400$ difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Picked up my car tonight & drove it home. First impressions... WOW. Incredible. Snappy shifts on the stock STi shifter. And QUIET. I knew my tranny was making noises, but I had no idea how loud it was before it was gone. The tech used the 5MT harness and sensors. Cruise control works. Reverse lights work. My cobbled reverse cam doesn't work in reverse, although my "reverse cam button" works fine. My USB charger for my iPhone doesn't work... but since those are both my doing, I'm sure they just screwed it up in the swap. I can't blame them for that. Issues: my used 4EAT driveshaft has a loose bit of metal inside. It sounds like jingle bells at speeds under 10mph with the windows down. I checked with my supplier but haven't heard back yet on a refund for the shaft. I'm mainly worried about imbalance, but I don't have any evidence of that yet. I also have a new clunk in the front right, but haven't gotten under the car to have a look yet. It may just be an endlink. They couldn't install the Cobb 6MT shifter because the reverse lockout cable was "too short." I'm going to play with it to see if I can get it to work. In the meantime, the stock height is obnoxious, and the 5MT shift boot for my STS is flopping around loose. Looks goofy. Cost: $4200 for 2010 STi tranny, shift linkage & shifter, clutch, R160 diff, 4EAT driveshaft $50 for shift knob $95 for six quarts of Extra-S $740 for labor Total = $5085, unless I've left something out. I still have to part out my 5MT bits. Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Cool. Hoping to finish my engine swap and trans swap this week. I got a shorter shift boot from red line goods. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 That's where I got mine for the 5MT. May need a new one for the 6MT. Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby2.5 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Picked up my car tonight & drove it home. First impressions... WOW. Incredible. Snappy shifts on the stock STi shifter. And QUIET. I knew my tranny was making noises, but I had no idea how loud it was before it was gone. The tech used the 5MT harness and sensors. Cruise control works. Reverse lights work. My cobbled reverse cam doesn't work in reverse, although my "reverse cam button" works fine. My USB charger for my iPhone doesn't work... but since those are both my doing, I'm sure they just screwed it up in the swap. I can't blame them for that. Issues: my used 4EAT driveshaft has a loose bit of metal inside. It sounds like jingle bells at speeds under 10mph with the windows down. I checked with my supplier but haven't heard back yet on a refund for the shaft. I'm mainly worried about imbalance, but I don't have any evidence of that yet. I also have a new clunk in the front right, but haven't gotten under the car to have a look yet. It may just be an endlink. They couldn't install the Cobb 6MT shifter because the reverse lockout cable was "too short." I'm going to play with it to see if I can get it to work. In the meantime, the stock height is obnoxious, and the 5MT shift boot for my STS is flopping around loose. Looks goofy. Cost: $4200 for 2010 STi tranny, shift linkage & shifter, clutch, R160 diff, 4EAT driveshaft $50 for shift knob $95 for six quarts of Extra-S $740 for labor Total = $5085, unless I've left something out. I still have to part out my 5MT bits. Cobbled reverse cam???? On the Cobb shifter I wonder if they followed the instructions? Have to flip reverse linkage forward and hold with Allen wrench to get slack in cable. Yep it's a sweet swap one of my favorite Edited September 16, 2013 by Scooby2.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaNu1142 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Cobbled reverse cam???? I did my own. Reverse lights work, and the reverse light lead triggers the cam display on the head unit. It's probably just an unhooked wire. Thanks for the tip on the shifter! I'll play with it next weekend. Tits mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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