IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Just wanted to say that I HATE the LGT 5eat! So I've owned the LGT since 05 and I SWEAR of the MANY things I love about our cars... I can't STAND that lazy ass auto/manual shift! I can't even COUNT how many times screwing around I've slammed the trans off the rev limiter in that awkward spot, because the damn car doesn't shift when I TELL IT TO! Physical shift... 2 seconds later the ACTUAL shift! Venting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blongo804 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 This. From our very own ClimberD@HexMods [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr3PPzTAv_s]HexMods F1 Valve Body in 5EAT Legacy GT - YouTube[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomberlegacy Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 it could be worse, you could have a 4eat '08 Legacy 2.5i - hybrid intake - delta 1000 - E85 - magnaflow exhaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 it could be worse, you could have a 4eat Ick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackPearl Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Look on the brightside, it took you like 8 years to vent Means I've got like 7.75 to go, lol. But yeah, the actual delay from input to engagement leaves a little to be desired. What are you doing that you hit rev limiter that much? Self proclaimed PNW Craiglist find of the day Champion, April 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted January 31, 2013 Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2013 Look on the brightside, at least you don't have an '05 and not an '08/'09 so you can eventually slap an upgraded valve body on there. 08/09 guys are SOL. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 Look on the brightside, it took you like 8 years to vent Means I've got like 7.75 to go, lol. But yeah, the actual delay from input to engagement leaves a little to be desired. What are you doing that you hit rev limiter that much? Man... drives me nuts! And USUALLY racing someone else or just hitting it flat out for fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 Look on the brightside, at least you don't have an '05 and not an '08/'09 so you can eventually slap an upgraded valve body on there. 08/09 guys are SOL. Yea I'll have to take a look into this... Makes me also wonder if this weird 2nd to 3rd gear shudder at weird spots in acceleration is related to said "Valve body" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbohip Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I got sick of it today too, then I got back in my 6-speed manual Maxima and instantly remembered why I don't think I can ever have an auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 I STILL wish I woulda waited on the manual! And just got what I wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob-2 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The only gears that come up quickly are 1st and 2nd. This suggests user error. It's a family sedan not a performance car. Even the manual tranny is a POS. The nice thing about the subi auto tranny is it seems to run forever. If you're pushing the car in manual mode at 6K select the next gear, it seems to figure itself out. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 This. From our very own ClimberD@HexMods Damn! I noticed the fluidness and rpm range off of redline in that vid... otherwise, what exactly is this mod accomplishing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 The only gears that come up quickly are 1st and 2nd. This suggests user error. It's a family sedan not a performance car. Even the manual tranny is a POS. The nice thing about the subi auto tranny is it seems to run forever. If you're pushing the car in manual mode at 6K select the next gear, it seems to figure itself out. Best of luck. 100k miles and 8 years of driving the vehicle... I can assure you it's not "User error" (Well most of the time at least) But for the sake of argument... Lets assume for a moment it WAS a 5-6 speed manual... The DIFFERENCE is between this shitty Auto/manual crap this car comes with, the shift point stalls from shifter input... Therefore, if running the car to max rpm for maximum gear length, you have to almost GUESS when the shift is needed, and hope it engages prior to smacking off the rev limiter... Now to compare: If I where driving an ACTUAL manual shift vehicle, upon the physical depression of the clutch, and backing off throttle for shift transition (Generic situation) Everything stops when I tell it to, until I push the next gear in, and back on throttle. Now of course there's issues with quick shifts and blowing the gear from time to time if done to quickly and not fully engaged, so it's not a perfect system, but my point is, is that the auto/shift feature... BLOWS!!! I've even driven much shittier cars like an altima with the same type of design in shifting and it engaged the SECOND I asked for it... I just wish the subaru was like that, thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted January 31, 2013 Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2013 Valve Body + leave it in sport mode instead of full manu-matic mode would likely make you much happier. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob-2 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 100k miles and 8 years of driving the vehicle... I can assure you it's not "User error" (Well most of the time at least) But for the sake of argument... Lets assume for a moment it WAS a 5-6 speed manual... The DIFFERENCE is between this shitty Auto/manual crap this car comes with, the shift point stalls from shifter input... Therefore, if running the car to max rpm for maximum gear length, you have to almost GUESS when the shift is needed, and hope it engages prior to smacking off the rev limiter... Now to compare: If I where driving an ACTUAL manual shift vehicle, upon the physical depression of the clutch, and backing off throttle for shift transition (Generic situation) Everything stops when I tell it to, until I push the next gear in, and back on throttle. Now of course there's issues with quick shifts and blowing the gear from time to time if done to quickly and not fully engaged, so it's not a perfect system, but my point is, is that the auto/shift feature... BLOWS!!! I've even driven much shittier cars like an altima with the same type of design in shifting and it engaged the SECOND I asked for it... I just wish the subaru was like that, thats all Sure, but there is a declining power profile after 5.5k so there are ZERO gains to be had. Further more you're completely discounting the fact the auto has no boost drop off as you're able to remain WOT. Yes you could flash your car to allow for flat foot shifting but it would be pointless. The 5sp tranny is also horrible in feel and gating. I think this entire debate gets rather stupid beyond here. It's a family sedan. Take it to the track and the entire car is a pile of crap. Pushing this car hard in anything but straight line is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 Sure, but there is a declining power profile after 5.5k so there are ZERO gains to be had. Further more you're completely discounting the fact the auto has no boost drop off as you're able to remain WOT. Yes you could flash your car to allow for flat foot shifting but it would be pointless. The 5sp tranny is also horrible in feel and gating. I think this entire debate gets rather stupid beyond here. It's a family sedan. Take it to the track and the entire car is a pile of crap. Pushing this car hard in anything but straight line is pointless. Your perspective is entertaining. And I hear ya on most points. Ohh yea and regarding the rpm range I totally agree with ya, and thats what drives me up the freaking wall, I can slap a shift dead on 5500 and STILL run the chance of slapping the rev limiter, its just SOOOOO lazy! ha... And I'm surprised you dislike the manual so much... My roommate had one, and I QUITE liked the feel and performance of it. To each there own I suppose, and I don't run my car like this outside of intermittently, and do understand the reality of it being a spirited sedan Appreciate the dialogue no less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 Valve Body + leave it in sport mode instead of full manu-matic mode would likely make you much happier. I think I would ABSOLUTELY agree. Dude, I almost barely use the manual option, and when I do, I remember why I don't! And I actually quite like the "Sport" option... to be honest, I think the only times I've really ever popped into the manual option is when I didn't want to per say "Wait" for the overdrive to kick, and I want to get moving quick under torque, and throw a downshift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCASEYS Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 IceCold81, you are a maniac! what is your car? stock stage1 stage2 mileage? your tranny is on it's way out either way I donated to LegacyGT.com which allows me to have this nifty signature. If anything SCASEYS posts ever becomes a sticky i'm gonna light this whole place on fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 God I can't wait to move to AZ and get my "Performance" Vehicle haha... I just love screwing around in cars to much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolmers06LGT Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Your perspective is entertaining. And I hear ya on most points. Ohh yea and regarding the rpm range I totally agree with ya, and thats what drives me up the freaking wall, I can slap a shift dead on 5500 and STILL run the chance of slapping the rev limiter, its just SOOOOO lazy! ha... And I'm surprised you dislike the manual so much... My roommate had one, and I QUITE liked the feel and performance of it. To each there own I suppose, and I don't run my car like this outside of intermittently, and do understand the reality of it being a spirited sedan Appreciate the dialogue no less Rob-2 is just butthurt because the LGT doesn't have to rev to 10k to build power like a honda. Honestly... How many posts have you made complaining about the same three things? If he owned a manual, he might be able to complain. Then again, if he owned a manual, he may realize that the LGT steers through the gas pedal. I agree, driving an auto on a track is kinda dumb. That said, LALGT and Drift Motion are both doing extremely well tracking their cars. YOU have a family sedan. Other people whom have spent some time tweaking their cars have much more than that. You are what is known as a Debbie Downer- your comments continuously detract from every thread. Seriously, go buy your Acura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot4hire Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I had a 4eat blaze yellow wrx and I tracked it once and immediately started looking for a 5mt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Ever since upgrading my LGT with a HexMods Valve Body, I only use manual mode for warming the car up (I cold shifts are rough) and for logging/tuning. I just let is shift by itself in Sport Mode or Drive, and I am as happy as a clam. Sell the car or set it up the way you like it. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yea I'm at that point where I'm deciding whether to keep it or consider a replacement sometime in the future... Thats where the major decision for "Tweaking" is right now... I think I'll probably be keeping the car for AT LEAST another 2 years, and I've NEVER kept a car this long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCold81 Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 I like your perspective! Is it really relatively easy to swap a 5eat to 5mt on my gen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimberDHexMods Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I like your perspective! Is it really relatively easy to swap a 5eat to 5mt on my gen? It is a 10 out of 10 in difficulty. If you can do that, you can probably do anything. I'm sure someone else will say it's really not that hard. Well... name something harder. That said, most things are bolt-on. Custom wiring and good trouble-shooting ability will be required. It's one of those things where if you even have to ask, you really shouldn't do it. And you'll still have to have a custom trans brace made. [CENTER][B][I] Front Limited Slip Racing Differentials for the 5EAT now available for $1895 shipped, please inquire for details! [/I][/B][/CENTER] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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