silverone Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I've been searching for about an hour to an answer for this question and can't seem to find it although I know it's probably here somewhere but I thought I would go ahead and ask, my son totaled his car Saturday he's OK thank god he had his seat belt on. The car is obviously totaled but the engine is OK and it's a low mile motor I've found a donor car it's a 97 outback, but it's a five speed my son's GT was an auto so my question is are they compatible is the engine a direct swap they are both 2.5's. Thanks in advance for any information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 The engine is a direct swap. You will not have any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverone Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Weil he's going to be happy about that because he wants a five speed. His buddies are gonna help him install it I've been looking at the sticky's today for info to help with the swap any direction you can point me I would be very appreciative, thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zues Marine Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 for the 5mt swap: you'll need to do some moderate rewiring including adding and grounding a pin on the ECU if these are wagons you have, you will need the driveline from a 5MT Legacy L wagon only.. nothing else will work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverone Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 for the 5mt swap: you'll need to do some moderate rewiring including adding and grounding a pin on the ECU if these are wagons you have, you will need the driveline from a 5MT Legacy L wagon only.. nothing else will work My son's car is a GT coupe all we need out of it is the engine the outback limited is the car with a bad engine it is the five speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnegg Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 pull both engines, swap the flex plate for the fly wheel, install the engine. do not disconnect the hoses to the AC compressor. unbolt the compressor from the block and flop it out of the way during the R&R. if there is going to be a delay between the removal and the install, flop it back where it belongs to reduce the stress on the hoses. the bottom ''engine to trans'' nuts are easier to remove if the axles are removed. but most folks don't do that. the torque converter to flex plate bolts are easier to remove if you take the intake manifold off first. again, most folks don't, but i do. i then put the intake back in place , finger tight, and use it to lift the engine out. i would do the plugs, timing parts, water pump, and probably the plastic cover plate on the rear of the engine block , while you have it out. timing belt 2 smooth idlers 1 toothed idler (this is the one that fails) water pump tensioner (or swap in the tensioner & bracket from the 97) and any front seals that have not been done recently. maybe the valve cover gaskets if they are old. with all this done, you will be set for 100k miles. good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverone Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 Another question has come up the owner of the Outback Ltd. Told me the 5mt has sloppy linkage bushings is this a common thing or is he blowing smoke up my you know what? I have read here that those transmissions are not the strongest in the world. Once again thanks for any advice you guys have been great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverone Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 Another question has come up the owner of the Outback Ltd. Told me the 5mt has sloppy linkage bushings is this a common thing or is he blowing smoke up my you know what? I have read here that those transmissions are not the strongest in the world. Once again thanks for any advice you guys have been great! By the way the 97 five speed as 185k on the clock good looking outback though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmedic Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Linkage bushings are a known issue on Subarus with any age on them since, oh, the dawn of time. They're also not difficult to change, particularly if the trans or at least the exhaust is already out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Another question has come up the owner of the Outback Ltd. Told me the 5mt has sloppy linkage bushings is this a common thing or is he blowing smoke up my you know what? I have read here that those transmissions are not the strongest in the world. Once again thanks for any advice you guys have been great! Yeah, the bushings in the linkage are crap. The following link is to Turn In Concepts. They have a replacement linkage the will not fail any time in the future, and is better than the OEM rubber bushing linkage. Order it, and let them know exactly what car it is for so they can prep it for you. http://turninconcepts.com/product_info.php?products_id=357 And meh, the 5MT is pretty strong, but it still will not hold up to being driven hard all the time. Replace the linkage as soon as you can to avoid that causing any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmedic Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I'm a cheap bastard. . . I rebuilt mine with stuff from Tractor Supply (on one of my NA Outbacks, not the LGT) http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4610876&postcount=6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverone Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 i'm a cheap bastard. . . I rebuilt mine with stuff from tractor supply (on one of my na outbacks, not the lgt) http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4610876&postcount=6 lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverone Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 I can't thank everyone enough for all the info here, you guys are the best I think this will be an ongoing thread for a while because I will be trying to help teenagers with some mechanical ability and some equipment to do this engine swap. It's sort of my way of teaching my son lesson. You don't text and drive, but the boy is going to need a car and I can't think of a better one for him to learn to work on then my subie. I should've took a picture of it while it was on its side leaning up against those trees kept it from rolling into a creek. But I was too concerned about my son UC it happened about a mile or two from the house and I was there before the police he is one lucky kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 It's sort of my way of teaching my son lesson. You don't text and drive, but the boy is going to need a car and I can't think of a better one for him to learn to work on then my subie. I should've took a picture of it while it was on its side leaning up against those trees kept it from rolling into a creek. But I was too concerned about my son UC it happened about a mile or two from the house and I was there before the police he is one lucky kid! I predict you will be bailing your son out for a long time to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverone Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 I predict you will be bailing your son out for a long time to come. I predict you are wrong, the only reason the police were called is because it was an accident the boy was not sighted no insurance claim will be made and he will have to work to fix his car. Maybe you were perfect but I was not I made mistakes before there were cell phones and I can guarantee you this he will not make that mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 No need to take that personally, it was just a joke. Monkey thinks he's funny, and he takes a crack at everyone on here all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverone Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 No need to take that personally, it was just a joke. Monkey thinks he's funny, and he takes a crack at everyone on here all the time I'm sorry if I took it wrong but it was not funny! Kids and texting while driving is a very serious issue and I have one who won't do it again! I'll bet the house on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 It is, if you know how he meant it. You'll see his sense of humour once your around a while longer. He's a good guy. But, I don't disagree, and I'll also add that anyone texting and driving, or being otherwise preoccupied with something else that takes your attention of the road that much, is just as hazardous. I see people reading books and whatnot... Either way, if anything, your son having a manual transmission will keep him much more focused on what he's doing behind the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Kenny's right. I just like to fool around a bit. But why not get the kid a ten speed until he learns his lesson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverone Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 It is, if you know how he meant it. You'll see his sense of humour once your around a while longer. He's a good guy. But, I don't disagree, and I'll also add that anyone texting and driving, or being otherwise preoccupied with something else that takes your attention of the road that much, is just as hazardous. I see people reading books and whatnot... Either way, if anything, your son having a manual transmission will keep him much more focused on what he's doing behind the wheel. Thank you for a thoughtful reply, but when someone makes light of what was nearly a family tragedy I have little respect for him. :-) replies is how he got to 4000 Post IMO. I would have to ask him if he has nothing to contribute to this thread please post somewhere else! With all due respect to those who have posted helpful responses thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Make sure you reseal the oil pump, check the screws for looseness, and replace the oil pump o ring. Also get some Preparation H for future posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfvholla Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 lol Monkey, you just need to quit while your behind buddy. Silver, I understand, but it's the internet. Don't knock him just yet, as he can be very helpful and does contribute a lot. Now, before this goes any further, I say we move on and get back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyposeur Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Silver, I apologize for my off the cuff comments. I'm glad your son is Ok and I wish I would have had a Dad as nice as you when I was a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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