Cool Article about the 05 SCCA wagons floating around still.. :)

I feel like if the pcv has never been an issue in the last ten years of running the car then why change now. Especially with all the evidence to support that an Aos system is actually detrimental to motor health. Also since you are switching to a ball bearing turbo, less oil will be needed to lube it anyways vs a journal bearing. Will probably need a restrict or pill in the line.

 

All you need. Bigger killer b pan, killer b header, dom 1.5xtr turbo, filtered oil line, and a new tune. Then get back on the track. The six speed will more then make up for the increased lag on the larger turbo with its shorter ratio.

Edited December 31, 2014 by Gex

"Roofline" is what? the top of the roof or the top of the stock roof pieces or the top where you are mounting the wing? Where you are mounting the wing the roof has already started to slope down a bit.

"Roofline" is what? the top of the roof or the top of the stock roof pieces or the top where you are mounting the wing? Where you are mounting the wing the roof has already started to slope down a bit.

 

Good question. I'm going to go with the actual roof, not the factory roof rails, as the the roofline. However I think you are correct on the slope. I'm interpreting it the same way we measure the distance of a splitter or a wing past the bumper.....a vertical plumb line down from the bumper. So in this case from a horizontal line at the highest point on the roof. That should gain an inch.

I decided that the OEM roof rack was good idea whether I use it for the wing or not. I like the idea of returning to the look the car had in the Grand Am Cup, even if the hood will be different now.

 

 

It took a while to find one at the regional recycler. When I searched for Legacy roof rack it included Outbacks, of which there are a ton of them in the NW. Of course the Outback roof rack is different, although it might be fun to install one of them instead. <"Is that an OUTBACK in the race!!">

 

After clicking thru many listings I found a regular Legacy Wagon. The rack is on the way at a great price. Two Thumbs up for Miles @ B&R!

 

I decided that the OEM roof rack was good idea whether I use it for the wing or not. I like the idea of returning to the look the car had in the Grand Am Cup, even if the hood will be different now.

 

 

It took a while to find one at the regional recycler. When I searched for Legacy roof rack it included Outbacks, of which there are a ton of them in the NW. Of course the Outback roof rack is different, although it might be fun to install one of them instead. <"Is that an OUTBACK in the race!!">

 

After clicking thru many listings I found a regular Legacy Wagon. The rack is on the way at a great price. Two Thumbs up for Miles @ B&R!

 

 

wonder if that interior is in good shape? I need rear door cards for a black interior

It's in Portland. Here's the car:http://www.autowrecking.com/parts/view/id/6237904 No back seat/door pics though. But B&R has Tons of Outbacks if they are the same...some of their yards are in Washington where you could see first hand.

 

http://www.autowrecking.com/public/images/photos/2014/07/04/ZidSk53TkdwUyn2u.jpg

Edited January 3, 2015 by Sgt.Gator

Just a little bored and this thread inspired me to read a bit about ICY/Phoenix racing.

 

Glad they used Legacies. Yes it may be 150# heavier (but more caster, and lower CD, ) than an STI and no DCCD but... that's it and so much better looking

 

ICY/Phoenix Racing was successful using Spec-B's in the Grand-Am KONI Challenge race series. Just a cool read is all.

Just a little bored and this thread inspired me to read a bit about ICY/Phoenix racing.

 

Glad they used Legacies. Yes it may be 150# heavier (but more caster, and lower CD, ) than an STI and no DCCD but... that's it and so much better looking

 

ICY/Phoenix Racing was successful using Spec-B's in the Grand-Am KONI Challenge race series. Just a cool read is all.

 

The whole list of their Subaru Spec B history is here, but it doesn't include the LGT Wagon: http://www.phoenixperformance.net/phoenix_subarus_in_the_news.html

 

Phoenix has had incredible 2013 and 2014 racing seasons, winning the T1 National Championship {Mustang} and the GT-2 National Championship {Corvette} both years.

 

Drew if your really bored I'm sure Joe would be glad to ship this project car to you, it's still for sale!

 

http://www.phoenixperformance.net/phoenix_cars_for_sale/2007_Legacy_GT_caged_shell_001-W400.jpg

 

http://www.phoenixperformance.net/phoenix_cars_for_sale.php#2007_Legacy_Spec_B_Racecar

Edited January 4, 2015 by Sgt.Gator

If I were your neighbor, had access to your shop, and kids were out of school I'd jump all over it.

 

Check your e-mail.

 

Drew

If Sargent Gator doesn't take em I might

Let me know if you're interested.

 

 

 

I need to move into a field of work where I can do this with my wagon. Or hit the powerball.

If I were your neighbor, had access to your shop, and kids were out of school I'd jump all over it.

 

Check your e-mail.

 

Drew

 

I had to wait till my kids were out of college too. Your time will come, and a lot faster than you think. It seems like one day they are 12, the next they are in college. When they graduate is the biggest cash flow positive day of your life!

Because racekar...

I'd consider eg a Mann & Hummel Provent AOS (or IAG etc) on the CCV, & vented to the inlet (or exhaust) via a scavenge pump for constant crankcase vacuum.

Vent the heads via to a second CC.

Both items draining to the sump (with eg extra plugs welded in if req) via one way valves.

Because racekar...

I'd consider eg a Mann & Hummel Provent AOS (or IAG etc) on the CCV, & vented to the inlet (or exhaust) via a scavenge pump for constant crankcase vacuum.

Vent the heads via to a second CC.

Both items draining to the sump (with eg extra plugs welded in if req) via one way valves.

 

Based on real-world experience?

I wish!

Based on reading the IWSTi AOS thread plus related research...

My takeaways are:

Racecars often use a scavenged CCV for the various benefits.

Separate AOS or CC's for heads/CCV are a great option, even for street/light track cars.

Or at the very least a 2L CC, they're even mandatory on some tracks in AU...

Getting the hose sizes worked out to promote good vacuum as well as correct placement of one-way valves were important pieces of the puzzle.

The Provent is rather large, but have a replaceable filter, so a cleaner, serviceable option if venting to the inlet.

 

Sakou Michi dual cc install: Joel is heavily into autocross.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=39078585

 

KillerB oil control valve:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2628337

Got the OEM luggage rails and the rear wing 99% installed. The pics don't do it justice. I like the looks of the OEM luggage rails on the car. Kind of a nice styling accent.

 

I had to heavily modify the wing support bases. Those holes provide multiple possible mounting points. The way you see it setup here provides about 13 degrees on the main wing, and about 20 degrees on the second element wing. That's just about a perfect combo of drag vs downforce. And with all the adjustments I can change the angle of attack in 5 minutes.

 

 

......

 

Next Up: Revamping the fuel cell system.

I'll be interested in hearing how it feels when you drive it. Can you open the hatch fully? Or is that what you mean by revamping the fuel cell?

I'll be interested in hearing how it feels when you drive it. Can you open the hatch fully? Or is that what you mean by revamping the fuel cell?

 

Hatch still works just like OEM. Opens fully.

 

The fuel cell revamp consists of replacing the fill plate with one designed for a standard fill, not the two large professional style quick fill openings I have now. The new plate will make room for a tank gauge sending unit too, along with a separate low fuel alarm sensor. I'll have to build a new firewall over the fill opening and cell, I've got a surprise fabrication in store for that.

 

It will look very similar to these, particularly the blue plate. That's the fuel gauge sender to the left of the red gas cap fill inlet.

 

.....

 

It will be reversible if I ever want to do really long endurance racing where quick fill is almost a requirement. But the quick fill is a pain in the rear for the regular sprint races where we never need to re-fill during the race.

 

Here's what my current plate looks like with the quick fill system removed:

 

Edited January 11, 2015 by Sgt.Gator

http://i.imgur.com/Svr52G8.jpg

 

This guy has some great aero ideas. Luv to see you incorporate these grouond breaking ideas...

Any advantage to having the wing on the rear door so it's directly in line with roof? I'd think it would serve double duty in that it would slightly reduce the low pressure area behind the car and with the air leaving the other wing on the door and it moving toward the lower pressure area this might act on the wing just a bit more.

Any advantage to having the wing on the rear door so it's directly in line with roof? I'd think it would serve double duty in that it would slightly reduce the low pressure area behind the car and with the air leaving the other wing on the door and it moving toward the lower pressure area this might act on the wing just a bit more.

 

Drew, it might work. In all the race cars I've looked at that with that setup, and there are several examples, it's because the rules forbid the wing being above the roof.

 

Wings work best when they are up in the clear air, away from the boundary layer air that flows along the roof. That's why you see them raised off the trunk on race cars. If rules would allow it they would even be above the roof on sedans and coupes. But rules usually forbid the wing to be above the roof line. In the case of a hatchback or wagon an exception has to be made because of no trunk to mount them on, and no space to separate them from the body airflow without placing them WAY back behind the bumper, which violates the rules too.

 

An extreme example: "In 1970, Chrysler conducted secret wind tunnel tests and produced reports of the testing for the new ’71 Dodge and Plymouth B-bodies. Unfortunately the program was dropped and no full scale cars were built.

 

Isaac, with NASCAR crewchief Harry Hyde, took their ’69 Dodge Charger Daytona stock car to Bonneville in September of 1971 to prove the car’s speed and aerodynamic engineering. In 2010, Pam and Gary Beineke began a new project, building a 3rd gen tribute car to the famous Bobby Isaac #71 K&K Insurance Dodge Daytona. Their 1971 (G-Series) wingcar was based on the wind tunnel test report that Chrysler had conducted on the B-Bodied cars."

http://www.streetlegaltv.com/news/video-beinekes-1971-dodge-charger-daytona-built-with-moser-rearend/

 

http://speednik.com/files/2012/05/Daytona1-640x337.jpg

 

Reducing the low pressure suction on the back of the car would be best dealt with by a diffuser. It would have to be custom built because my fuel cell is in the way of any made for a stock LGT.

A project for next winter!

Shall we all start chipping in for wind tunnel time...lol

doesn't the local university have a tunnel?

doesn't the local university have a tunnel?

 

A tunnel big enough for a car, not many around. Even fewer are for rent. Most academic institution wind tunnels are for scale models.

 

Do you have an IN at Boeing?

 

I'd love to spend a few hours here. I think the cost is a little out of my budget, even with Drew soliciting donations!

 

http://www.windshearinc.com/index.htm#home

 

http://windshearinc.net/videos/windshear_DVD.html

 

http://www.windshearinc.com/images/windshear_controlpanel_lg.jpg

 

 

 

Have ya'll heard of the secret former train tunnel - turnpike tunnel turned wind tunnel in PA?

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/nascar/the-secrets-of-laurel-hill/

 

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/uplhx.jpg

Edited January 23, 2015 by Sgt.Gator

Just read the Road and Track article on that tunnel. Pretty crazy! I have seen people strap string over the roof and hood then mounting go pros on the car to evaluate the airflow.

Just read the Road and Track article on that tunnel. Pretty crazy! I have seen people strap string over the roof and hood then mounting go pros on the car to evaluate the airflow.

team pony express did the string thing. think they posted pics of it, too