nerv_01 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Has anyone purchased this or have any thoughts on this? I was thinking of possibly getting the complete package: "Save money with this comprehensive brake package for your 2005+ Legacy GT. You get Hawk HPS brake pads for all four corners of the car, a full set of our red-sheathed braided stainless brake lines, and one 1-liter can of ATE Super Blue brake fluid. The full kit adds a complete set of four DBA 4000 slotted premium rotors. Save over $100 compared to buying the parts a la carte! Legacy Brake Upgrade Kit - Basic K04151http://us.st1.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/Img/trans_1x1.gifRegular price: $359.00http://us.st1.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/Img/trans_1x1.gifSale price: $279.00http://us.st1.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/Img/trans_1x1.gif Legacy Brake Upgrade Package - Full Kit http://us.st1.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/Img/trans_1x1.gifRegular price: $899.00http://us.st1.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/Img/trans_1x1.gifSale price: $769.00" Reviews/Comments/Suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdw Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 IMO, the only thing in there that will give any real benefit is the pads and maybe the braided lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabbic Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 IMO, the only thing in there that will give any real benefit is the pads and maybe the braided lines. Then buy the first package... Good price! How long are you going to offer this? My vB Garage How to Install Steering Wheel Radio Controls Cubby Gauge Mounting Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdw Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Then buy the first package... Good price! How long are you going to offer this? I'm saying the slotted rotors don't have much benefit, especially on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabbic Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I'm saying the slotted rotors don't have much benefit, especially on the street. Depends on how hard you drive. I think they may benefit me. I have in the past glazed brake pads by braking too hard (on the street), slotted rotors prevent glazing by removing that layer of pad. (resulting in faster pad wear too...) Also during highway driving in the rain a layer of water can exist on the rotor that when heated up by braking can steam and cause the pad to "float" resulting in very little braking actually happening, if this has ever happened to you then you know the VERY scary feeling that it imparts... Slotted rotors offer a channel for the steam to escape and therefore better pad contact. The only real con is faster brake pad wear. My vB Garage How to Install Steering Wheel Radio Controls Cubby Gauge Mounting Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJuan Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I say go for the Full Kit. Have you reviewed my thread on this? http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56164 My wife's balls are delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gitster Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Then buy the first package... Good price! How long are you going to offer this? Did you read the OP? He's not offering it. Hes asking of reviews of the website and opinions on the package(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabbic Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Did you read the OP? He's not offering it. Hes asking of reviews of the website and opinions on the package(s). You're correct, I misread the post. Still a good price. My vB Garage How to Install Steering Wheel Radio Controls Cubby Gauge Mounting Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabbic Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 I say go for the Full Kit. Have you reviewed my thread on this? http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56164 I posted in your thread. I think I am going to go this route... My vB Garage How to Install Steering Wheel Radio Controls Cubby Gauge Mounting Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostsr20 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 never been a fan of slotted rotors or modified rotors at that for a street car. Everything else is beneficial though. I ran the ATE fluid in my last car and that alone gave better pedal pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdw Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Depends on how hard you drive. I think they may benefit me. I have in the past glazed brake pads by braking too hard (on the street), slotted rotors prevent glazing by removing that layer of pad. (resulting in faster pad wear too...) Also during highway driving in the rain a layer of water can exist on the rotor that when heated up by braking can steam and cause the pad to "float" resulting in very little braking actually happening, if this has ever happened to you then you know the VERY scary feeling that it imparts... Slotted rotors offer a channel for the steam to escape and therefore better pad contact. The only real con is faster brake pad wear. My understanding of slotted (and cross drilled) rotors is that it's for offgasing, not removing glaze. As you apply the brakes and they heat up, they give off gas. If you have an uninterupted surface, the gas can't dissipate as quickly. So, like your steam explanation. I've never heard that they shave the pads like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerv_01 Posted March 11, 2007 Author Share Posted March 11, 2007 Thanks for the input, still haven't made up my mind on this, but I will closely considering it. Let the discussion continue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabbic Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 My understanding of slotted (and cross drilled) rotors is that it's for offgasing, not removing glaze. As you apply the brakes and they heat up, they give off gas. If you have an uninterupted surface, the gas can't dissipate as quickly. So, like your steam explanation. I've never heard that they shave the pads like that. Here is a good Q&A on Road and Track's website that discusses the pro's and con's (Second question down): http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=3404&print_page=y My vB Garage How to Install Steering Wheel Radio Controls Cubby Gauge Mounting Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdw Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Here is a good Q&A on Road and Track's website that discusses the pro's and con's (Second question down): http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=3404&print_page=y good link, tks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerv_01 Posted March 11, 2007 Author Share Posted March 11, 2007 Here is a good Q&A on Road and Track's website that discusses the pro's and con's (Second question down): http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=3404&print_page=y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_rex Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 the 4000s might be a bit much for just street driving. the DBA street rotors are cheaper, and still better than stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic1 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 the 4000s might be a bit much for just street driving. the DBA street rotors are cheaper, and still better than stock. They arent too much more. The whole gassing thing is overstated by the R&T article. Along with added cooling effects. Most pads nowadays do not gas. The cooling vanes in the 4000 series DBA probably have a TON more effect on cooling than the slots. Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabbic Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Most pads nowadays do not gas. They do when they are wet... My vB Garage How to Install Steering Wheel Radio Controls Cubby Gauge Mounting Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic1 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 They do when they are wet... Who told you that? Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praedet Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I think he is saying the water turns into steam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabbic Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Who told you that? Nobody, I have experienced it... After driving on the highway in hard rain, or standing water the pads and rotors get wet, when you go to get off the highway that water flashes to steam and the pad "floats" on the rotor and NO braking takes place for a half second or longer. Or perhaps it is just pushing on a layer of water... It has happened to me a dozen or so times (only once or twice with the legacy) and it is VERY scary. Slotted rotors eliminated that .5 second no braking or soft pedal for me in my last car, that would happen in the rain. This happens in all rain or heavy water driving, just in different levels. From DBA's Website: Unidirectional slotting (left and right), to increase pad bite, reduce fade and deliver exceptional braking performance.Slots continually de-glaze the brake pads, improving efficiency and reducing rotor scoring. They even out-wear across the brake pad faces, increasing the effective contact area and extending rotor life.Slots help dissipate water when driving in poor weather, as well as pump away dust and dirt.Slotting also combats "out-gassing", where gas (from the pad bonding agents) can form a cushion between pad and rotor, greatly reducing braking power.Provide a cost effective solution to improve the stopping performance of vehicles which are "under-braked" (such as many large four-wheel drives). My vB Garage How to Install Steering Wheel Radio Controls Cubby Gauge Mounting Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic1 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Nobody, I have experienced it... After driving on the highway in hard rain, or standing water the pads and rotors get wet, when you go to get off the highway that water flashes to steam and the pad "floats" on the rotor and NO braking takes place for a half second or longer. Or perhaps it is just pushing on a layer of water... It has happened to me a dozen or so times (only once or twice with the legacy) and it is VERY scary. Slotted rotors eliminated that .5 second no braking or soft pedal for me in my last car, that would happen in the rain. This happens in all rain or heavy water driving, just in different levels. From DBA's Website: If that makes you feel better... I sell the stuff and can tell you that's a bunch of marketing to sell their product I dont agree with most of what they say, including the slots that increase bite. !?!? The main benefit of DBA rotors over the competition as well as OEM is the vane design and materials. There may be many other factors involved with rain driving that may have caused the issue you experienced. It's also something that is nearly impossible to replicate based on the same conditions. Reminds me of that one thread that was started saying Bobcat's dont work in the rain.... I am willing to bet that side by side, if you had one slotted rotor and the exact same blank version of it, with the same pads, through the same puddle on the same road, you would have the same feel either way. But that's just me. Free Sonax Cleaner Deal http://www.brakeswap.com Carbotech, Hawk, PFC, DBA Rotors, Motul, Wilwood, Castrol... Great service. No bumping required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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