Dasanii19 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Hey guys! New member here and need some opinions before throwing down a chunk of money on a new (to me) Legacy! I am looking at a "private party sale" on a 2011 Legacy in my area . I need your opinion on what would be a fair price to pay/offer for it. Here is a cut and past of the ad: FOR SALE- PRIVATE PARTY 2011 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium Only 6,500 Miles Great Mileage on average I get 28 City and 48 All Hwy MSRP is $25,384 Dealer invoice brand new is $23,608 Private Party Sales Do Not Pay Sales Tax!! That's a savings of over $1800! Asking $23,500 SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY. Graphite Exterior/Interior with Titanium Trim Perfect Condition, Always Garaged, No Exterior/Interior Flaws, Non Smoking, No Pets Inside ALL WEATHER PACKAGE Front Wiper De-Icer Heated Exterior Side Mirrors Heated Front Seats ENTERTAINMENT FEATURES Steering wheel mounted audio controls CD player Radio data system MP3 decoder AM/FM radio XM Satellite Radio Equipped SEATS AND TRIM Rear seat center armrest Power driver seat Front seats: bucket Cloth Front center armrest: w/storage Split folding rear seat Heated front seats Rear seats: bench Max seating capacity: 5 WARRANTY Still Under Factory warranty: 36 months/36,000miles CONVENIENCE FEATURES Power windows Remote keyless entry Passenger door bin Rear beverage holders Passenger vanity mirror Driver vanity mirror Overhead console 1-touch down Front beverage holders Telescoping steering wheel Illuminated entry Speed control 1-touch up Driver door bin Air conditioning Tilt steering wheel Rear door bins BODY EXTERIOR Power Moonroof Power door mirrors Bumpers: body-color Heated door mirrors Door mirrors: body-color Trunk Lid Spoiler LIGHTING, VISIBILITY AND INSTRUMENTATION Front reading lights Low tire pressure warning Trip computer Variably intermittent wipers Outside temperature display Fully automatic headlights Tachometer Rear window defroster SAFETY AND SECURITY Brake assist Overhead airbag Electronic stability Dual front impact airbags Occupant sensing airbag Panic alarm Dual front side impact airbags Traction control Ignition disable ABS brakes 4 wheel disc brakes Security system Anti-whiplash front head restraints POWERTRAIN Engine liters: 2.5 Torque: 170 lb.-ft. @ 4,000RPM Cylinder configuration: H-4 Variable valve control Fuel economy highway: 31mpg Manual-shift auto Sequential multi-point fuel injection Number of valves: 16 Recommended fuel: regular unleaded Transmission: continuously variable automatic Horsepower: 170hp @ 5,600RPM Fuel economy city: 23mpg Fuel tank capacity: 18.5gal. Drive type: all-wheel drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidWombat Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Not sure about your area, but in CA, for a private party sale you pay a "use tax" when you register the car. Also, it seems like a fair number of people are paying close to invoice on a new car. Subaru VIP pricing is invoice minus 2% so you could buy a new model for less than he wants for his used. The Edmunds true market value on a NEW 2011 2.5i Premium is 21.5k. I wouldn't go above $20k, but I'm not sure they'll sell it for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Rip off. It's a used car. Compare it to used car prices, not new/MSRP. And yes, you do pay tax in most states. This whole thing is screaming rape. I wouldn't buy anything from this guy at any price... If you were willing to pay some shady private sale guy $2,3 for it, go haggle a new one from the dealer. It's not going to be much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 We paid 21,647 for a new 2.5I Premium with AWP, moonroof, fogs, but it was a 6 sp. So I'd say this guys price is way high. Also, not sure about the Highway MPG yet as we haven't done an all highway trip, but he sounds like a liar from the start. 48 MPG is what our Jetta TDI got, find it hard to believe a Legacy gets that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 The seller said he would go down to $21,500. Is this a good deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 Also, in the state of Nevada, we do not pay sales tax on private party autos. So my price for this car would be $21,500. Good deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongHiway Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 The rule of thumb around here is for slightly used cars, to take the mileage off the MSRP - try it. Two dealers have done this for me on Subaru demo cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Well what do you honestly think? People have told you you can get it new for 2% under invoice. Unless he left off a bunch options, according to Edmonds the invoice is 21,936, so you could get it for $21,497 new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 Well what do you honestly think? People have told you you can get it new for 2% under invoice. Unless he left off a bunch options, according to Edmonds the invoice is 21,936, so you could get it for $21,497 new. Plus about 2,000 in taxes though right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Also, in the state of Nevada, we do not pay sales tax on private party autos. So my price for this car would be $21,500. Good deal? No, and stop talking with this guy entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lojasmo Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Plus about 2,000 in taxes though right? No. Nevada sales tax is 4.3% Also, warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodax Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 This guy seems fishy. Tell him that you want to pay it for $19,000 and you want to see the carfax of the car. In addition, ask him the reason why he wants to sell the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 No. Nevada sales tax is 4.3% Also, warranty. Its 7.75% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 This guy seems fishy. Tell him that you want to pay it for $19,000 and you want to see the carfax of the car. In addition, ask him the reason why he wants to sell the car. Isn't that kind of a low ball offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 No, it's a used car that goes for 21,5 new right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 Went to the Subaru dealer today and came across the same exact car that has a sticker price of 25k sticker and a invoice at 21,489. Your saying I can get it for 2% less then $21,489? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 If you already made your decision then buy it. Not a single person here has said it's a good idea but you seem to have made up your mind. If $1500 is worth a shady transaction to you, I would say you probably shouldn't be looking at $23k cars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 If you already made your decision then buy it. Not a single person here has said it's a good idea but you seem to have made up your mind. If $1500 is worth a shady transaction to you, I would say you probably shouldn't be looking at $23k cars... What are you talking about, isnt this what this section of the forum is for? You have been a short and grumpy on every post you've made here. If you don't like my thread or questions, go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyOldManMN Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 ok. If you don't know what I'm talking about when I say someone willing to potentially lose their ass to a shady seller for $1500 in savings probably shouldn't buy a $20k+ car in the first place, I don't have anything else to contribute. Good luck man, seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 If you already made your decision then buy it. Not a single person here has said it's a good idea but you seem to have made up your mind. If $1500 is worth a shady transaction to you, I would say you probably shouldn't be looking at $23k cars... And where are you getting that this is a shady transaction? Who cares if they said they get a higher MPG then you, doesn't mean it isn't true, maybe they drive 40mph everywhere they go. I actually met the seller today, its a woman with a husband that is a local LEO. So your "intuition" is a bit off in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 ok. I don't have anything else to contribute. Good luck man, seriously. You haven't contributed anything at all except senseless comments with no backing to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 You do have something confused, no way a premuim with just an AWP has an invoice of 23,489. And Surly has a point, you been told by more than one person 1. it's not a good deal 2. the guy seems shady just by the fact he's lying his ass off about mileage. You keep coming back as though you want someone to say it's a great deal go for it. Again incase you missed it, I bought a 2.5I premuim 6sp with AWP, Moonroof and popular equipment group 2c and auto dimming mirror with compass. I paid $21,647 The CVT would add $918 at invoice. So do the numbers it simple math you can get a better equipped new car for a little more. Just like Surly, I have to bow out of this, you seem set on buying this car. Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasanii19 Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 I just dont know what to do now, the seller is going to shoot me if I ask them to budge on price again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lojasmo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Isn't that kind of a low ball offer? Hell no. A car depreciates a couple grand when it is driven off the lot. Edit: there are much better used legacys out there for considerably less. Check the classifieds here. ETA: no USDM legacy gets 48 MPG. The owner is lying. Buy it. Nobody cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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