Awesome deal on a set of BBK?

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/wilwood-superlite6-inch-front-brake-subaru-0207-p-150032.html

 

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/wilwood-forged-dynalite-inch-rear-brake-subaru-0207-p-150033.html

 

Looking at around to be 2250 shipped apparently. I may be wrong but is this FRONT and REAR upgrade worth it for an 05 lgt limited? I know the front is barely an upgrade. in terms of overall diameter.

You could get the same performance pretty much by just going to a good pad and rotor, also Ss lines and a flush if it's a dd. Some of us prefer a bbk, bac and myself are both in the middle of piecing together a oem brembo swap on our cars.

Unless you're tracking your car or just want the "cool" factor, these are not worth it.

Wilwoods work pretty well, but don't have seals on their pistons. That means they require more maintenance to keep clean and usable, otherwise it'll get clogged with brake dust.

 

You can find these used sets on nasioc for cheeeap.

You could get the same performance pretty much by just going to a good pad and rotor, also Ss lines and a flush if it's a dd. Some of us prefer a bbk, bac and myself are both in the middle of piecing together a oem brembo swap on our cars.

What year OEM Brembos fit without custome brackets if any? I heard the 04 STI is a direct fit.

 

Unless you're tracking your car or just want the "cool" factor, these are not worth it.

I wanted it for the better stopping power and what person wouldnt want the cool factor along with the mod. I just want to improve my car so if going OEM STI + DBA 2 piece rotors is better then I could live with that.

 

Wilwoods work pretty well, but don't have seals on their pistons. That means they require more maintenance to keep clean and usable, otherwise it'll get clogged with brake dust.

 

You can find these used sets on nasioc for cheeeap.

 

Well how often are we talking about? like once a month? once a week? I usually a monthly checkup on my car regardless. I wouldnt have a problem if i needed to clean them once a month either. :-)

 

 

 

 

As for overall, would i be replacing pads/rotors alot quicker with BBKs if i were daily driving or would it be about the same as a complete OEM setup?

04-12 Front Brembo's are a direct bolt on

04-07 Rear Brembo's you just need an adapter bracket, and either new ebrake shoes or a special rear rotor.

 

There's tons of threads on this on here.

I wanted it for the better stopping power and what person wouldnt want the cool factor along with the mod. I just want to improve my car so if going OEM STI + DBA 2 piece rotors is better then I could live with that.

 

 

 

a BBK /= more stopping power for a street driven car. It does offer less fade resistance, but that is only necessary for repeated stops, ie track.

 

Pads, rotors, lines and fluid will get you all the stopping power you could want on the street.

 

I'm not ruling out the cool factor, as big a$$ wilwood brakes are super cool, no doubt about it. Just dont drop $2K+ on something for the wrong reasons, thats all.

I've read magazine tests where BBKs actually increase stopping distance.

 

Why I want a BBK or some other brake upgrade is for pedal feel. Right now, I'm running Hawk HPS pads, Centric Premium blank rotors, ATE Super Blue fluid, and ss lines, all installed 16 months ago, so maybe a fluid flush would help.

 

My car has plenty of stopping power; I have no problem getting ABS to kick in. The problem is that the pedal is like an on-off switch. Very little happens for about half the pedal travel and then there is a very short period before the brakes lock up.

 

How do I increase the distance in pedal travel from initial grab to full lock? I'll do the fluid when it is warmer, so hopefully that will help. I'm also on the group buy for the GS master cylinder brace. If these two things don't help, any other suggestions?

If after the master cylinder brace you still aren't happy you could go for an STI master cylinder swap.

Thanks everyone for your feedback! :-)

I actually did a control test on my 05 LGT on track over 2 seasons. First season hawk hp+ with brembos up front. Second year hawk hp+ with oem in the front.

 

Stopping and fade were very marginally better with the brembos over the oem ones. This is in the advanced run group at tracks like watkins glen, limerock and njmp.

 

-mike

 

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I have wilwood 4 piston fronts and 4 rears. the front kit 12" rotors DO have dust boots, the rears do not. They came with all hardware, 2 piece rotors, bp10 pads, stainless lines the works. it ran me 1700. love the bite and the bp10 pads are great for daily stuff and auto x

 

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I actually did a control test on my 05 LGT on track over 2 seasons. First season hawk hp+ with brembos up front. Second year hawk hp+ with oem in the front.

 

Stopping and fade were very marginally better with the brembos over the oem ones. This is in the advanced run group at tracks like watkins glen, limerock and njmp.

 

-mike

 

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so what you're saying is, that its not the calipers that made any difference. its probably your pads and rotors?

so what you're saying is, that its not the calipers that made any difference. its probably your pads and rotors?

 

Yes. The only thing big calipers add is greater heat dissipation (read: less fade over repeated stops).

so what you're saying is, that its not the calipers that made any difference. its probably your pads and rotors?

 

Yup, unless you have really pumped a lot of hp/suspension/race tires/etc into your car.

 

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Yes. The only thing big calipers add is greater heat dissipation (read: less fade over repeated stops).

^^^Not necessarily true...

 

It is not the calipers that determine that one way or another. While the piston size would factor in somewhat, it is more a function of the size of the pad and the size of the rotor...

Wait wait wait.....

 

Calipers on their own have almost nothing to do with heat dissipation. Fixed 4 piston calipers offer greater clamping force, better pedal feel less flex and usually less unsprung weight. The reason most people go to a 4piston setup is because it normally allows larger and/or wider rotors to be fitted to the car. Larger rotors have a higher thermal capacity and more surface area for heat dissipation. If you keep rotors and pad material the same and just put on fixed calipers you will not gain any measurable reduction in fade resistance.

 

I do not know the diameter or width of 04 STI rotors or stock LGT rotors, but simply high temp brake fluid, high temp pads and a quality rotor will be more than enough for what most people here need.

^^both people above me are correct and put their thoughts into words much better than I did.

 

While bigger calipers on their own /= equal better heat dissipation, it was assumed that bigger calipers would include all of the other items (ie, rotors pads, etc)

too much thinking is require for now. I'll move on to other parts first. :-)

I'm good. No more need for BBK for me:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3777492&postcount=219

I'm good. No more need for BBK for me:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3777492&postcount=219

 

 

I am pretty sure the 05 did not come with VDC for the MT, i believe it was offered on only the 5EAT models if at all....

You are correct. The original one was for non-VDC:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/grimmspeed-master-cylinder-brace-legacy-gt-05-mid-07-non-168705.html

Wilwoods work pretty well, but don't have seals on their pistons.

 

I've been contacted by Wilwood about my Dodge Durango BBK and have spent a little time with them as Wilwood is local to me and IIRC the seals depends on the caliper series. No seals on the Dynalite and Superlites but Wilwood says that their calipers should last almost as long as OEM calipers for DD use. Their calipers are close enough to oem caliper cost that replacement is not a titanic expense and their rebuild kits are affordable, accessable and doable.

 

That means they require more maintenance to keep clean and usable, otherwise it'll get clogged with brake dust.

 

Yes, it means you should keep your performance brakes relatively clean and not completely covered in road grime and crud to the point that the parts are not visable the way many people allow their cars to get. Then again, this is LGT.com where people like to be able to eat off their cars.

i keep my stuff clean to begin with but yes. its like any performance upgrade on your car. Better maintenance = better performance and better reliability. more oil changes, frequent tire rotation, tire alignments, all that jazz.

 

side note* the wilwood ones without seals are all Stainless. No rust and very simple to clean and reinstall!

 

-B