hairlessrien Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Hey guys, I was wondering if you guys could give me more information about how reliable the turbo engine is for the legacy GT because I am considering buying one. Unfortunately, my parents are anti-turbo because they think that its very unreliable. I tried to assure them that it is much different then back in the 90's and I also tried to discuss how a turbo timer would help even more. If you guys could give evidence that your engines have been reliable for whatever amount of miles, and how turbo engines are maybe just as reliable as non turbo engines I would GREATLY appreciate it. I the GT, but if i cant get my dream car because of my parents old school knowledge it will kill em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochNY91TSI Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Long term a turbo is *not* going to be as reliable as an NA car. There's just more working parts to go bad. The LGT is relatively reliable though as long as it's cared for (same goes for any other car too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1anatic Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 These cars take lots of abuse (as in power upgrades). Knock on wood but GTs are very reliable, espec. given proper maintenance. But then again, you should look at the turbo as just another (expensive) consumable part on the car: the clutch (on a manual car), the wheel hubs with the sensors in it, etc. If it moves(rotates) it is likely to not be as reliable as a piece of solid metal which justs lives its life rusting away attached at its two ends by inch thick bolts. Get the car and enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailblaze Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 are your parents paying for it?? if not, you have to make your own decisions!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srgdrum Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 you should look at the turbo as just another (expensive) consumable part on the car. + 1. Well said. Given that I'd say the cars are great bang for the buck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawl Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 u dont need a turbo timer for this car. the turbo is water and oil cooled. you should be okay. it's definitely not as reliable as an N/A car but recent trends are favorable towards turbos. BMW went turbo, apparently ferrari is gonna do a v6 turbo or something, tons of audis are turboed. If it's good enough for those guys, that'd say something about turbos in general. Although if you were to upgrade the turbo as many of us have, all bets are off. Better to have a second car to have should anything happen. one last thing: quite a few turbo systems from the mid 90s were a lot more complicated than the setup we have. sequential turbos, biturbos, etc etc. the turboes in the rx7 gave it a bad reputation for poor reliability. i would head over to nasioc to see how well the buy eye wrxs are doing. i would bet a few of those are going well past the 100k mile stage. car for sale. PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 The turbos arent what gives the rx-7 poor reliability its the rotary engine, the seals on them need to be replaced every 80-90k miles which means an engien rebuilt every 80-90 and if you have any horsepower adding mods to it they need to be replaced much more often, like every 20-30kmiles. anything with forced induction is goin to be less reliable than its N/A counterpart. But the LGt is very reliable as far as turbo cars go, i have been stage 2 for roughly 10kmiles and have 47kmiles on the car, all systems are still go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jond_68 Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I have had 52,000 trouble free miles so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fivspeed Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 All the admissions of 2.5i superiority in this thread is giving me wood... Little known fact, the LGT acronym doesn't stand for Legacy Turbo, it stands for Little Girly Turbo. The LGT was designed by engineer Kimoto Banjo who named it this after he realized all it took to destroy the turbo was a mesh screen. True story. Okay, fine, on the plus side for the turbo, I believe it won Wards best engine for a year or two. While I don't believe long term reliability is a criteria for that award, you could sell it to the rents that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzyss Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 u dont need a turbo timer for this car. the turbo is water and oil cooled. you should be okay. I woul agree with you but SOA doesn't. In their article about caring for turbocharged engines one thing they mention is idling engine after driving. Another one is to change oil before and after track event. And last one that every turbocharged engine requires severe duty maintenance. Krzys PS My 2005 GT with 80K miles seems to be working OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy05 Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 As long as you are up and current on your maint, they should last a long time in my mind. I have almost 92k on my stock stage 2 turbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawl Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I woul agree with you but SOA doesn't. In their article about caring for turbocharged engines one thing they mention is idling engine after driving. Another one is to change oil before and after track event. And last one that every turbocharged engine requires severe duty maintenance. Krzys PS My 2005 GT with 80K miles seems to be working OK. if they said that it was a reversal on what they've said for a long time. consensus on this site is that we dont need a turbo timer. at least the guys that know what's going on say this... i have no reason to distrust them. but if you can show me where they say to idle, that would be good too. car for sale. PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOMSWGN Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 If your parents are buying the car, be a considerate son and ask for a used Honda civic and drive it until you can buy your own car that you can modify/abuse. Listen to your parent's advice, I wish I had listened to mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05GT Guru Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Really im glad i didnt listen to mine, my mom gave me 2 grand, she told me to buy a reliable car, so i came home with a 79 malibu 6cylinder that i paid 500bucks for. Spent the other 1500 and some money i had saved up on a 350 built it a little with a 350 turbo trans with a shift kit and drove the piss outta it, got 12mpg everywhere i went whether i was flooring it or driving it nice so i floored it because it made little difference. About 9 months later it blew up but i had a blasty blast and i still would have done the same thing if i could go back. Then again gas wasnt 4.30, this was 5 years ago cant remember what it was back then, i guess it wasnt high enough to make me care enough to remember lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOMSWGN Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I think you can do what you want with your money, but not with others. When you mod things can go wrong and then it is going to cost more. Things look different when you are late teen/ early twenties Vs. late 30's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Inevitably turbocharged cars will have failing turbos. Then again it's a relatively inexpensive and easy item to replace. If the LGT is your dream car I'd be surprised to see you running a stock snail after 20k miles anyways. You'll want more power. My other car is on its 4th turbo! Of course the first three were all working just fine when they were replaced, but that's another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzyss Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 but if you can show me where they say to idle, that would be good too. I hope you can access it. http://content.subaru.com/mys/content/Subaru_Turbo_Education.pdf I get there from mysubaru.com Krzys PS I think it is BS and ass covering exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spect2k Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Check out consumer reports. You can go onto their website or you can buy the April 08 edition. They highly recommend the car in consumer reports and I personally put a lot of stake in what they have to say. That should convince your parents if that's what you're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B. Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 If your parents are buying the car, be a considerate son and ask for a used Honda civic and drive it until you can buy your own car that you can modify/abuse. Listen to your parent's advice, I wish I had listened to mine. mazdaspeed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melayout Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 For a consumer's perspective, reliability has to be stated in relative terms. Reliability-wise, a japanese NA powertrain is generally more reliable than a japanese Turbo powertrain. An NA powertrain is relatively and generally trouble-free, low-maintenance and not high strung. A turbo powertrain is relatively and generally more prone to issues, requires more maintenance and is high strung. I keed I keeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOMSWGN Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Ms3>ms6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilh Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Check out consumer reports. You can go onto their website or you can buy the April 08 edition. They highly recommend the car in consumer reports and I personally put a lot of stake in what they have to say. That should convince your parents if that's what you're looking for. Way back in the late 80s/early 90s, I remember CR showed radical reliability differences between the VW Golf and Jetta. Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmfspecb Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 All the admissions of 2.5i superiority in this thread is giving me wood... Little known fact, the LGT acronym doesn't stand for Legacy Turbo, it stands for Little Girly Turbo. The LGT was designed by engineer Kimoto Banjo who named it this after he realized all it took to destroy the turbo was a mesh screen. True story. Okay, fine, on the plus side for the turbo, I believe it won Wards best engine for a year or two. While I don't believe long term reliability is a criteria for that award, you could sell it to the rents that way. My friend, you need to get out more if you are getting physically excited about reading how a 2.5i is "superior." But, hey whatever floats your boat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawl Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 All the admissions of 2.5i superiority in this thread is giving me wood... Little known fact, the LGT acronym doesn't stand for Legacy Turbo, it stands for Little Girly Turbo. The LGT was designed by engineer Kimoto Banjo who named it this after he realized all it took to destroy the turbo was a mesh screen. True story. Okay, fine, on the plus side for the turbo, I believe it won Wards best engine for a year or two. While I don't believe long term reliability is a criteria for that award, you could sell it to the rents that way. I, too orgasm at the thought of a 7 mpg bump. Ooops. Anyone got a towel? car for sale. PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvethesnow Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 79250 miles on my 05 lgt all mine. no problems. oil change every 3000 and only done the 60,000 mile service History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid People sleep peacefully at night cause rough men stand ready to do violence on there behalf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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