Unlimited to limited???

So can somebody tell me what the difference is between a 2005 Subaru Legacy gt limited to unlimited? Or are there any more in between? And what's the difference in what they have as options... I'm trying to find the perfect and best Subaru Legacy gt to buy and I really need help,

Un-limited came with cloth seats and no sun roof. Limited had leather and sunroof.

 

If you want the best one, look for a 2009 Spec B. Only about 100 of them were made.

In 2005 GTs (not including 2.5is), you could get Limited or unlimited. No other choices. Limited adds moonroof and leather seats. A totally separate option is the winter package, which could have been added to either a Limited or unlimited. Winter package adds heated side mirrors and heated wiper rest area on the windshield. Not sure if the heated seats were standard or limited or winter. For more information on what all Subaru models came with from the factory check out www.cars101.com.

 

Check out a few threads on catted uppipes, banjo bolt filters and blown turbos so you know what you are getting yourself into with these cars. They are truly awesome cars, but they do require some maintenance and some attention paid to them to keep them running well.

 

If you are considering buying one, I would highly recommend that you pay a local Subaru specialist to take a look at it on the lift (and even do a compression test) beforehand to be a little more confident in the purchase. If you come check out that one in Somerville, MA, I can recommend a good option over in Woburn (Motive Auto Works). Like I said, they're awesome, but a 2005 is now a 10 year old turbo car.

 

Good luck with your LGT wagon search! Have fun. Welcome to LGT.com!

The wagons have a huge moonroof in the Limiteds, which is awesome. Some don't like moonroofs due to fear of mechanical failure or leakage, but I've never had an issue with mine. Personally, I'd look for a Limited. In reality, I'd look for whichever was better maintained and has documentation that the engine is healthy.

The wagons have a huge moonroof in the Limiteds, which is awesome. Some don't like moonroofs due to fear of mechanical failure or leakage, but I've never had an issue with mine. Personally, I'd look for a Limited. In reality, I'd look for whichever was better maintained and has documentation that the engine is healthy.

 

That's the main reason I didn't get a Limited, both the 98 and 00 GT wagons had leaky sunroofs.

 

Dujo, I think the winter package was standard. I remember bitching to Subaru back in 2000, the sales book showed a picture of the black GT wagon with skis on the roof outside a snow covered ski house, yet I couldn't order the car with a cold weather package.

 

 

Yep, 4-stage heated front seats on a GT I just walked upstairs to check the 2005 brochure.

 

Yep, heated wiper and side mirrors too.

 

I also have to 2000 brochure in the drawer.

Alright ... so I had to look it up on cars101, 'cause now I need to know.

 

Alright, fyi ... in 2005, Limited (GT specifically) also adds 8-way power drivers seat and 4-way passenger seat in addition to the moonroof and leather. Interestingly, there is a bigger difference between a 2.5i unlimited and Limited than there is between a GT unlimited and Limited. More stuff standard on an uprated GT as compared to the 2.5i.

 

The heated seats are in fact part of the "All weather package". And Max is, in fact, correct: that all weather (winter) package is indeed standard on all GTs, whether limited or unlimited. The only place where it wasn't standard was in the 2.5i unlimited. And get this, the limited slip rear axle is listed as part of the all weather package. But here's where it gets a little weird ... it's part of the all weather package on the GTs, but not part of the all weather package on the 2.5is. So, since all weather is standard on all GTs, limited slip is standard on all GTs. But due to the semantics, it is technically part of the all weather.

To bad I didn't my my Spec B new, I'd have that brochure too.

 

Just checked the 2000 brochure, I was mistaken, the black GT wagon outside the ski house only had ski racks on the rails not skis. I had to check. Gee what does that say about me...LOL

So can somebody tell me what the difference is between a 2005 Subaru Legacy gt limited to unlimited? Or are there any more in between? And what's the difference in what they have as options... I'm trying to find the perfect and best Subaru Legacy gt to buy and I really need help,

I thinks its heated leather seats and moonroof. "Best" is a subjective term meaning different things to different people. My 08 Limited GT was a low Miles great price so...best to me! Good luck and enjoy

 

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The wagons have a huge moonroof in the Limiteds, which is awesome. Some don't like moonroofs due to fear of mechanical failure or leakage, but I've never had an issue with mine. Personally, I'd look for a Limited. In reality, I'd look for whichever was better maintained and has documentation that the engine is healthy.

 

This x1000. You want records of on-time maintenance like oil changes, 30/60/90k and so on services, a thorough inspection before purchase to find any problem areas (either intentionally not disclosed, or those unknown to the owner) like oil leaks, corrosion/rust, frame damage, damaged parts, etc., and a compression and leakdown test to see how the engine is holding up.

 

I'd also recommend getting someone to check the turbocharger for shaft play to see how healthy it is, and definitely requesting to drive the car into boost on a test drive to see how it feels and behaves (or have the owner do it with you in the passenger seat if they don't want a stranger boosting their engine). Well-taken-care of examples of these cars should be okay, but you don't want to get screwed with a neglected or abused one given that these are now 6-10 year old cars and engine rebuilds will cost $5000-6000.

Wow that's a lot of information from everybody,Thanks everyone for the great responses it definitely put me in the right path. Just so I make sure the 2.5 limited will come with a hood scoop, moonroof,black leather interior, stickshift? with full weather package (which includes heated seats/mirrors and wipers). And the unlimited dosent Come with any of that ecsept for the weather package..

And before I even think of buying one I get the car inspected by a Subaru mechanic and get the engine compression tested and checked for any leaking oil or foul play in the turbo.

 

Btw I m trying to find a Blue Limited with black leather interior,stick shift under 100xxx miles... Or really close to it, up or down. Probably going to be pretty hard but Im willing to wait until I find the perfect one! Hopefully sooner then later.

Only the GT's have hood scoops, 2.5i's don't.

 

The GT limited have sunroofs and leather, the un-limited don't. Other then that they are the same car.

This may help:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/official-my2005-production-numbers-model-color-83304.html

 

The Outback XT's have the turbo and hood scoop too.

That's the main reason I didn't get a Limited, both the 98 and 00 GT wagons had leaky sunroofs.

 

Dujo, I think the winter package was standard. I remember bitching to Subaru back in 2000, the sales book showed a picture of the black GT wagon with skis on the roof outside a snow covered ski house, yet I couldn't order the car with a cold weather package.

 

 

Yep, 4-stage heated front seats on a GT I just walked upstairs to check the 2005 brochure.

 

Yep, heated wiper and side mirrors too.

 

I also have to 2000 brochure in the drawer.

 

YOU...are a pack rat.....

Unlimited is FAR faster than anything Limited. In Can-Am racing, the Group 7 cars were Unlimited, which meant that other than the safety issues that all cars had to meet (which were pretty skimpy back then), you could basically do whatever you wanted and run whatever you wanted, hence the term "Unlimited" and that's why I have an Unlimited 2005 Legacy GT 2.5 Turbo Sedan. I don't like limitations.

 

The differences are the Limited has power leather seats, and a moonroof. I passed on the limited because my seat gets set up once and done. I didn't want the extra weight. I figured I'd get little use out of a moonroof commuting in the early am or evening and my other car is a convertible. I don't recall the "winter package" being an option. I did order a cabin air filter but the car arrived without one. They were temporarily suspended in late 2004 due to a bad design which meant replacement was a headache.

YOU...are a pack rat.....

 

Sad isn't it, I also still have the sales brochure and window sticker and sales order from the 92 Honda Civic in my avatar.

 

Good thing they don't take up much space.

Unlimited is FAR faster than anything Limited. In Can-Am racing, the Group 7 cars were Unlimited, which meant that other than the safety issues that all cars had to meet (which were pretty skimpy back then), you could basically do whatever you wanted and run whatever you wanted, hence the term "Unlimited" and that's why I have an Unlimited 2005 Legacy GT 2.5 Turbo Sedan. I don't like limitations.

 

 

Wait so the unlimeted Is faster then limited?? I also heard one weighs more then the other?? And is it a true 250hp or is that to the crank and not the wheels

The unlimited weights less by a few pounds.

 

That crank HP.

 

weights, 5mt then auto in pounds

2.5i 3200 / 3245

2.5i limited 3265 / 3310

2.5 GT 3300 / 3365

2.5 GT Limited 3365 / 3425

2.5 GT wagon 3355 / 3420

2.5 GT wagon Limited 3435 / 3500

 

Btw I m trying to find a Blue Limited with black leather interior,stick shift under 100xxx miles... Or really close to it, up or down. Probably going to be pretty hard but Im willing to wait until I find the perfect one! Hopefully sooner then later.

 

Good call on the interior. I didn't have a preference when I bought my car and deeply regretted getting a car with tan leather. So much so I swapped to black.

 

Are you looking for a sedan or wagon?

I like my tan interior far more than the black. Not as hot in the summer and just a more bright and cheery place to be. Black interiors are depressing. Obviously that's just a matter of personal taste.

 

JMP is being cute there playing on the terminology of Limited versus "unlimited". Technically, the unlimiteds are really non-Limited as in *not* a Limited. However, the definition of the word unlimited is sorta not quite the right idea when describing the lesser trim option. Which is why people think it's cute and fun to say it that way. You got a Limited? Oh yeah, well mine is UNLIMITED! I have no limits! Fyi ... starting in 2006 and going to 2009, a spec.B will have slightly more options even, but there are no factory spec.B wagons. Only sedans.

 

And yes. 250hp is at the crank. And technically, it's really closer to 243 after the hp rescaling around 2006-7. Subaru all wheel drivetrain loss is good for about 20% of your power. So a stock 4th gen LGT is about 190hp at the wheels. However, that can be improved upon ...

 

In the end, the Limiteds are gonna have more expensive options than the non-Limiteds (unlimiteds) and are also gonna be very marginally heavier since that extra stuff adds weight. There will be a very slight, pretty much unnoticeable difference in driving performance from the weight. If you were building a racecar, you might care. Since you're looking for a daily driven street car, get the one in better shape/lower miles.

 

Fyi ... be careful when describing a 2005 Legacy as "blue". There were two different blues that year. There is Atlantic Blue Pearl, which is that soft sky blue you were looking at on those two wagons. And then there is Royal Blue Pearl, which is a much darker, almost purple, navy/royal blue. Just be aware of that when looking at descriptions.

 

By the way, those two LGT wagons you looked at are probably gonna be some of the better choices out there. Take another look at that one in Somerville with closer to 80,000 miles than 100,000 miles. That looks like it might be a great option depending on the history and mechanic inspection. You're not gonna find a more heavily optioned LGT wagon than those.

 

Also, be aware that timing belt service is due at 105,000 miles and it is an absolutely must-do maintenance item that costs close to $1000, including labor. These are interference engines and if the timing belt fails or even stretches too much, it will be very very bad for the valves and heads and maybe even bad for the pistons. Roll that into your price calculations right now. That 100,000 mile wagon needs it now if the seller hasn't already done it. The 80,000 mile wagon has another year or two. Unless you want to do it a little early on mileage since the time is close to 10 years.

Wow DUJO you sure do know a lot about Subaru! And I really appreciate all the feedback it's definitely helping me out in my journey to find my 4th Subi wagon, the first three were older cars. I had 2 1997 legacy gt wagon and one 97 legacy L, and I know now I want the darker blue color, which is the royal blue Also gunna take in all the stuff you said about the maintenance being done asap..

 

and HOLLA I want another wagon, it's gunna be my 4th one if I can find it lol.

And I bet to get one of these cars to about 400 horse power is gunna cost a arm and leg.. Is it even possible on a stock block

Have had an "unlimited" '05 LGT Wagon from new. The cloth seats still look good, and you don't slide around on them like you do with leather. If I could get a cloth seat conversion for my Vette, I would do it in a heartbeat - a twisty road will have me hanging onto the steering wheel to stop sliding about.

 

BTW, I did the timing belt good and early - did not need to take any risks.

And I bet to get one of these cars to about 400 horse power is gunna cost a arm and leg.. Is it even possible on a stock block

 

You don't need 400WHP in one of these cars. Low 300's WHP is a very realiable DD.

No I need 400... There's a lot of mustangs out there that need there feelings hurt!

You need pistons, big turbo, fueling and great tune.

 

Do you have a great Tuner ?