a/s tire test

i based my purchase decision almost 2 years ago mainly based on wet weather performace. i see that decision is still the best tire decision i have made.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=106

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tests/bfg_gForce_SuperSport_AS/chart3.gif

i lose very little performance in he dry. to max that you should probably be on the track anyways.

yeah. i have the 960 a/s.

Glad to hear it. I'm about to buy a full set.

How's the highway noise? How many miles have you put on them? At $230 a piece, I need them to last.

Glad to hear it. I'm about to buy a full set.

 

How's the highway noise? How many miles have you put on them? At $230 a piece, I need them to last.

noise is fine. i hear more wind, engine, and fan vants noise more than anything.

about 25k miles and i expect to do the advertised 40k.

230? iirc i paid 160 each at discount tire.

^How are they in the snow?

fine.

i live in WA so tons of snow never happens around my parts. but they haven't failed me. i haven't ended up in a ditch. i did floor it whiel stopped in thick snow and spun the tires in place. turned the si drive to i and it crawled out with east.

it's no snow tire but it does what it needs to do.

A/S = Avoid Snow

for the occasional snow fall like here in my area it's fine. even a few inches are fine. 5+ i would get snow tires and for 3 month seasonal snow as well.

also...

you will be very hard pressed to find the same wet traction out of a dedicated summer. let alone any other tire out there. with the a/s tires you only lose a very small amount of ultimate dry traction.

to me a great uhp a/s means i buy 1 set of tires and am done. it doesn't work for everyone i understand that.

I just tracked the Advan S.4 245/45-18

Hands down beat the crap out of my old Toyo T1R's... Dry and Wet (got to try both at the track yesterday)

^^^

Glad to hear this. My tire guy was really trying to steer me towards 960's...not that they're a bad tire but I like yokos for some reason.

Glad to hear it. I'm about to buy a full set.

 

How's the highway noise? How many miles have you put on them? At $230 a piece, I need them to last.

Who's telling you $230?

Try 225/45/17's. More common size, should bring the price down to @160 ea.

From January http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=102

F1 A/S is best in cold/snow.

From last September. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=102

F1 A/S was second.

I wonder why all the differences on the same tire when it was against alot of the same. Plus, last september's results should be temperature-wise similar to the most recent results.

Who's telling you $230?

 

Try 225/45/17's. More common size, should bring the price down to @160 ea.

For stockers, sure. But 235/35-19 from Tire Rack = $230ea. Cheapest on the web that I can find.

^How are they in the snow?

I have them in 205/55/16 on my WRX and love them for all conditions except snow. They are useable in the snow and ice but you really just have to take it easy in these conditions.

I normally avoid those conditions but had to drive in a substantial snow dump from Jay Peak(vt near CA border) to Seacoast NH last winer. The roads were covered with anything like 4" of loose snow pack to 8"+ deep in the notches. I did fine.

^How are they in the snow?

a LOT better than those ol RE92A's.

I got me Conti Extreme Contacts but I have not put them on yet.

My Kumho Ecsta ASX were great in rain but average (still better than the RE92s) in snow.

http://www.tirerack.com/images/reviews/SurveyTabs.gif

Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position 1 100% 8.5 8.9 9.0 8.9 9.1 8.8 7.6 6.6 7.0 8.9 8.8 8.8 3,998,389

Yokohama ADVAN S.4. 2 98% 8.6 8.7 8.8 9.0 9.3 9.0 7.2 6.1 6.6 8.8 8.7 8.7 874,837

Goodyear Eagle F1 All Season 3 95% 7.6 8.7 8.7 8.7 8.9 8.7 7.4 6.6 6.7 7.9 7.5 8.3 1,263,235

BFGoodrich g-Force Super Sport A/S 4 95% 8.6 8.6 8.5 8.5 8.8 8.5 7.3 6.0 6.1 8.9 8.4 8.4 167,650

Continental ContiExtremeContact 5 94% 7.8 8.5 8.5 8.1 8.6 8.2 7.9 7.1 6.9 8.1 7.9 7.8 31,877,108

you will be very hard pressed to find the same wet traction out of a dedicated summer. let alone any other tire out there. with the a/s tires you only lose a very small amount of ultimate dry traction.

actually, I've yet to see wet performance tested to compare an A/S and a summer tire (would be interesting). Many summer tires are engineered for excellent wet performance (latest Goodyears for example) while others are engineered for avg wet performance to offer killer dry traction (Azenis, RE01R etc).

Saying that an A/S performs as well as a summer tire in the dry is, well, not accurate. It's the compound that is the differentiating factor...A/S tires have to have a wider temp range and therefore don't deal with heat as well as a summer tire.

actually, I've yet to see wet performance tested to compare an A/S and a summer tire (would be interesting). Many summer tires are engineered for excellent wet performance (latest Goodyears for example) while others are engineered for avg wet performance to offer killer dry traction (Azenis, RE01R etc).

 

Saying that an A/S performs as well as a summer tire in the dry is, well, not accurate. It's the compound that is the differentiating factor...A/S tires have to have a wider temp range and therefore don't deal with heat as well as a summer tire.

dig trough the tire tests at tire rack.

find 1 that is better then the re960 in the wet.

did you even read what i typed? i said lose little in the dry. to pull .9 anything on the public street means you are probably driving at a level you shouldn't be. kinda like all this bitching about using 250+hp on the street when another car is next to you doing the same.

perhaps I'm missing the page on Tire Rack where they show lateral G measurements. All I see is scores relative to a '10'.

Eagle F1 Asymetric:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=101

Bridgestone 960 A/S:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=106

Is there a graph or page that shows empirical data in wet performance? Otherwise, I showed you one example of something better (out of one attempt to do so).

like this...

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=101

see how those comparative summers lose out to the 960 in the wet? you may have found 1 tire that actually outperforms it while it would be useless in the winter and i get to run my 960's without buying extra tries/rims. as i said. the 960 lose very very litle int he dry and lose nothing int he wet and actually outperforms 95% of the tires out there in the wet. the only weak spot for me is that i wish for a stiffer sidewall. not like it's a wet noodle or anything. for me living in WA i would sacrifice total dry traction for a top notch wet traction. i am happy with the tires and have 25k miles on them now.

anyways...

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tests/gy_eagle_f1_asy_rd/chart3.gif

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tests/bfg_gForce_SuperSport_AS/chart3.gif

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tests/gy_eagle_f1_asy_rd/chart4.gif

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tests/bfg_gForce_SuperSport_AS/chart4.gif

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tests/gy_eagle_f1_asy_rd/chart5.gif

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/tests/bfg_gForce_SuperSport_AS/chart5.gif

not too bad for an all season eh?

^^^ that's an RE050 tire in the above test

i figured you guys would click the link in the op or the 2 links in the other post. then i thought different and edited for direct comparison.

so what you're saying is that the a/s doesnt perform as well but you're ok with that.

i said that a dedicated summer can't do crap in the winter and doesn't pawn an all season in rain.

i give little while the dedicated summer gives more.

soo...am i to expect more dumb responses from you? you have already proved that you can't read to save your life in a previous reply. this is your second attempt to be smart and you are failing badly. why don't you go play with your legos or something and leave the reading to the grown-ups.

i said that a dedicated summer can't do crap in the winter and doesn't pawn an all season in rain.

 

i give little while the dedicated summer gives more.

 

soo...am i to expect more dumb responses from you?

not unless you consider (another) thirty day ban "dumb". I do but you're the one who earned it :waving kitty: