GTS Jeff Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I thought you guys might like some comparison pictures on my 2.5i. I went with Osram Hypers on the low beam. For the high beams, I replaced the stock 9005s with 9011 Toshiba HIR bulbs. There is quite the difference, and with the high beams on, the road in front of me sees around 4500 lumens, which is wayyy more than your typical HID setup. Did I mention that this is with stock wattage halogen bulbs with normal bulb life? So far, I'm super happy with the results that came from simply replacing the bulbs. Anyway, here are the pics. I know some of you may whine about how the camera settings make a difference, but I did try to adjust them so that the pictures accurately represent how these look in real life: 1: lowbeams, Osram Hyper vs. OEM H7 http://www.ualberta.ca/~jkm1/pics/headlights/comparo1.jpg 2: lowbeams+highbeams, 9011 HIR vs. OEM 9005 http://www.ualberta.ca/~jkm1/pics/headlights/comparo2.jpg 3: Notice the new bulbs' colour temperature is the same as OEM. No ricer bullshit here! http://www.ualberta.ca/~jkm1/pics/headlights/comparo3.jpg 4: A drive down a back alley with the lowbeams. Similiar road visibility to HIDs. http://www.ualberta.ca/~jkm1/pics/headlights/subiebulbs1.jpg 5. Highbeams on. Combined with the lowbeams, there is far more light now than the normal HID setup. I win! http://www.ualberta.ca/~jkm1/pics/headlights/subiebulbs2.jpg 6. Another lowbeam shot, both sides installed. http://www.ualberta.ca/~jkm1/pics/headlights/subiebulbs4.jpg 7. Another lowbeam+highbeam shot, both sides installed. http://www.ualberta.ca/~jkm1/pics/headlights/subiebulbs5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazytiger Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Interesting. Nice comparo........ How much $$$ for everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I like picture #5 - look at the "throw" of the beam....that garage way at the end of the street! <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXCL Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 nice results hmmm i may want to upgrade my high beams just for fun, but flashing on expensive bulbs doesnt sit well with me. better then normal as in oem d2s xenon? those are def nice and bright, but i dont know if i would go that far my e39 retro- about 8 ft from wall, http://mywebpages.comcast.net/vxcl/legacy/xenon_guide/cutoff2.jpg d2s in our h7- upper is about 6-8 ft from wall, lower is very close to wall 4-6ft? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/vxcl/legacy/xenon_guide/xenon_kit_focus.jpg attached is hunghings tsx retro im working on- about 15 ft from wall technically you cant compare setups unless pics were taken under the same conditions, but even so its very obvious the amount of light 4100k d2s xenon puts out (all pics are using oem xenon electronics (bulbs and ballasts) no kits MAYHEM #122/22 STS NNJR SCCA AUTOX4U.COM XENON RETRO GUIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTS Jeff Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 Interesting. Nice comparo........ How much $$$ for everything? Just over $100. better then normal as in oem d2s xenon? those are def nice and bright, but i dont know if i would go that far Well, with the low and high beams on, the road sees about 4500 lumens, which is more than most HID setups that put out around 3000 lumens. I guess in your case, your HID lowbeams will stay on with your high beams, so you would have 5500 lumens combined... But yeah, these are pretty awesome, and especially cuz the lowbeam bulbs cost $25 each, they're a good alternative to proper OEM HID retrofit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 ^ Remember, though, that output only tells half the story - the other part is determined by optics, or, rather, how that light is actually "cast" onto the roadway/usable surface. An optics-matched HID setup, even if the absolute output is less, may still offer "superior light" under certain conditions or when examined with different criteria. It's very hard to compare lighting - that's why, on a flashlight-enthusiast page, you'll see so many different attempts at "standardizing," and why so many beam-shot pictures will be taken. The other problem, of course, is that our perceptions are quite subjective - a noticeable difference to one person may not be, at all, to another, especially when it comes to something as subtle as this. I believe that another of our fellow LGTers was quite disappointed with the +65s that he tried-out in his vehicle. I've ordered some Rally +65s from Stern, and although I'm curious as to how much this will improve my low-beams, I'm not 100% convinced that they'll necessarily be of noticeable improvement *to me*, especially as *I* prefer the color-temperature of the SilverStars. The HIRs, though, I'm actually quite eager to try-out. They've been praised almost universally, and I think that when combined with this particular application (the "long throw" of typical high-beams), it'll be cool..... <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praedet Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I have the E39 Retrofit plus the HIR bulbs, so I get a Gold Star Plus my Fogs are 3000K HIDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXCL Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Just over $100. Well, with the low and high beams on, the road sees about 4500 lumens, which is more than most HID setups that put out around 3000 lumens. I guess in your case, your HID lowbeams will stay on with your high beams, so you would have 5500 lumens combined... now i understand what you meant. yeah my xenons stay on with highs (oem 9005s) and its ridiculous. But yeah, these are pretty awesome, and especially cuz the lowbeam bulbs cost $25 each, they're a good alternative to proper OEM HID retrofit. so what about the high beam bulbs they are about $25 each as well then. I don't know if i can pay $50 for high beam bulbs since i rarely use them, but blinding people to get out of my way may be worth it... MAYHEM #122/22 STS NNJR SCCA AUTOX4U.COM XENON RETRO GUIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXCL Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Plus my Fogs are 3000K HIDs when did you do that? any pics? i went the piaa ion route MAYHEM #122/22 STS NNJR SCCA AUTOX4U.COM XENON RETRO GUIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praedet Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 About two days ago. Here are some pad pics in my garage. I had the PIAA ion route, this is probably 2x as much light in the same beam pattern. Quite good for fogs! http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e257/praedet/Foglights/HIDFogLights4.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e257/praedet/Foglights/HIDFogLights3.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e257/praedet/Foglights/HIDFogLightsandHeadlights5.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e257/praedet/Foglights/HIDFogLightsandHeadlights6.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbluelb Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Loooooooooove the 3000k's!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXCL Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 wow def much brighter then the piaa's! looks nice. but whats more amazing is you caught the xenons during startup. MAYHEM #122/22 STS NNJR SCCA AUTOX4U.COM XENON RETRO GUIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 where can you get these? Click Here everyday:redface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Nice, Ted! Hope things are working out well for you and wifey out there! <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonwacker Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I believe that's standard Legacy behavior...one of the benefits of dedicated highs/lows... ~Zach sorry...this forum practically blows goat nuts so im not always on here.Team Pony Express POSTED FROM MY COMPUTER USING A WEB BROWSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTS Jeff Posted February 11, 2007 Author Share Posted February 11, 2007 where can you get these? www.rallylights.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 what Item numbers? Click Here everyday:redface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWP-LegacyGT Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 ^ Remember, though, that output only tells half the story - the other part is determined by optics, or, rather, how that light is actually "cast" onto the roadway/usable surface. An optics-matched HID setup, even if the absolute output is less, may still offer "superior light" under certain conditions or when examined with different criteria. It's very hard to compare lighting - that's why, on a flashlight-enthusiast page, you'll see so many different attempts at "standardizing," and why so many beam-shot pictures will be taken. The other problem, of course, is that our perceptions are quite subjective - a noticeable difference to one person may not be, at all, to another, especially when it comes to something as subtle as this. I believe that another of our fellow LGTers was quite disappointed with the +65s that he tried-out in his vehicle. I've ordered some Rally +65s from Stern, and although I'm curious as to how much this will improve my low-beams, I'm not 100% convinced that they'll necessarily be of noticeable improvement *to me*, especially as *I* prefer the color-temperature of the SilverStars. The HIRs, though, I'm actually quite eager to try-out. They've been praised almost universally, and I think that when combined with this particular application (the "long throw" of typical high-beams), it'll be cool..... alright, alright, back to the basement with your knowledge... for now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniStiGuy Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 my ass they put out that amount of lumens... What a selling tactic that one is... pshhhh my stock setup with HID's will put your dinky halogen bulb setup to shame. OEM HID's Rx330 Retro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 ^ I'm surprised that you would make such a vehement statement, bruddah..... I honestly don't think that the outputs claimed by the various bulbs is really that outrageous. They pretty much fall in-line with just about every other measure, and I'd honestly think that in order to get proper certifications, they would have to pass through some form of standardized testing, too. Also, again, I truly do not think that just comparing the lamps' outputs really tells the full story. Remember, it's not just the amout of light, it's also how the light that's manipulated that matters. The easiest demonstrations are (1) standard room lighting versus flashlight (one casts light over a large area, the other focuses a small amount of light and projects it downrange) and (2) different flashlights, with similar or even the same lumen output rating, but with different optics configurations (one can be tailored to flood close-range, while another can be tailored to project a concentrated beam far downrange). Also, the HIRs are "new technology" - by harnessing energy that is otherwise lost, it makes up significantly for traditional inefficiencies. Try not to think of this as "my HIDs beats your incandescents," or the other way around. There's way too many issues to consider, and to make a generalized blanket-statement as such is just oversimplifying the issue. alright, alright, back to the basement with your knowledge... for now...... ^ To the dungeon I go! <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 ^^^^ well said Click Here everyday:redface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jingjing Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 like the way the osrams look. might have to get some, debating between them and 4300 hids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSiWRX Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 ^ Hard to say..... If you're satisfied with the way your headlights are, now - as I am - then the Osrams might be a good upgrade for you. But if you'd like a much-whiter color temperature, along with perhaps more foreground lighting, more throw, and an even sharper cut-off, then the benefits of upgrading to an optics-matched set of HIDs becomes more of a debate - both in terms of technical concerns (i.e. the "trouble" of doing the retrofit) as well as in terms of cost (a full set of the higher-output incandescent lows and highs will run you close to $100....retrofit hardware should be able to be had for around $300, if you *really* bargain-hunted). Certainly, a "plug-and-play" set of 4300K HIDs isn't un-doable, either - our factory optics will do OK with even such an "improper" setup, and should not generate undue glare for oncoming drivers. This would of course eliminate much of the technical concerns, as well as further cut the cost-difference...but its viability will then become a personal issue for you, especially if you're a "lighting purist." <-- I love Winky, my "periwinkle" (ABP) LGT! - Allen / Usual Suspect "DumboRAT" / One of the Three Stooges '16 Outback, '16 WRX, 7th Subaru Family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniStiGuy Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I'm just gonna pull my foot out of my mouth now. Yeah its true that optics make up 99% of the equation to getting your output. Well said above. OEM HID's Rx330 Retro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreoSTi Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I'm going to try the Osram Hypers in my Forester. I'm using the GE Megalight +60% right now, which are ~2 years old. http://www.mcnproductions.com/fxt/lights4.jpg -Mike- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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