bolbo Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 The heading asks it all. I've read and seen where the LGT (and all LEG's for that matter) have dual muffler exhaust. Does that mean it has true dual exhaust and exactly what purpose does it serve. I just got done reading a hysterical 'urban dictionary' to find out what a 'ricer' is. One fellow mentioned how a ricer could include putting a dual exhaust on an inline 4 and unwittingly actually cut down hp. Just wondering how the Subies' dual exhausts help or hinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agctr Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 NO, the GT is true dual as I have seen fumes coming out of both exhausts and the note comes from both aswell. Just curious if a lot of the exhast systems ppl will do a special offers on cannons as you are having to buy two?????? This may be a question for you Paul & AVO ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 from my experiance. a true duel exhaust has 2 pipes usualy on like a v8 mustang per say. off the headers and h pipe or x pipe and then 2 pipes continuing all the way back. now the legacy does not do this. the headers go to the one turbo and one exhaust pipe comes out. till about the rear suspension and then it splits into a y and then there are 2 mufflers and 2 pipes out the rear. this car being turbo'd i dont think this would hurt any cause after the turbo u want the exhaust out the best u can. so most ppl i know would not say its a true dual exhaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeracer Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 I believe its a common mid pipe section that branches off towards the rear so you have the dual exhaust. It might just be for looks and because its turbo. Anyways I have seen cars with smaller non turbo engines come with dual exhausts from the factory...Look at the TSX. "Gimme mines Balboa...Gimme mines".....Clubber Lang - Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 done right a non true dual exhaust can be good. but say take your honda civic and make it into dual exhaust and u will most likely lose performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Well, given that many of those "true" dual systems have a crossover pipe at some point, there's not a lot in the difference between them and the Legacy. And the Legacy dual exhaust does make use of the volume afforded by both of those cannons to reduce back pressure - remove one and you'll notice how large they are. Most of the exhaust places are offering a discount, of a sort, on the duals. The price of two cannons is generally cheaper than if you priced two separate exhausts. But it's not as cheap as a single exhaust, for obvious reasons. Cheers, Paul Hansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3Franz Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Single exhaust back with dual mufflers. It still provides better flow while still being quiet, though. -Franz The end of a Legacy http://www.youtube.com/th3franz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Single exhaust back with dual mufflers. It still provides better flow while still being quiet, though. Simply put there. It's nice because you can push a larger volume of exhaust gases, while at the same time have a greater ability to dampen the sound your engine makes. The setup used by the Legacy with Single pipe from the turbo until about the point of the rear suspension, where it splits, it the most feasible for materials, cost, and weight along with the sound deadening characteristics that make a dual-exhaust a good option. Least amount of piping keeps the cost and weight down of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 how "true" do you want to be? If you want to be absolute, it should be a twin turbo set up where each bank of cylinders get a turbo, a cat, and own downpipe and midpipe as well as a muffler.. Keefe Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 I would take a show one as a tip that is there but isn't functional. That's my take on show anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardP Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Anybody here interested in paying for two catalytic converters? Clearly, the Legacy setup (including the non-turbo) is a good compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 [quote name='BernardP']Anybody here interested in paying for two catalytic converters? Clearly, the Legacy setup (including the non-turbo) is a good compromise.[/quote] This is a very good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irunfromcops Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 it's impossible to have a true dual exhaust on a single turbo four cylinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Good point, although easier on a boxer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irunfromcops Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 [quote name='jedimaster']Good point, although easier on a boxer.[/quote] if it were a non-turbo boxer it would be totally possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 True. I never gave that any thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 It would be totally possible but completely unnecessary. I feel the setup they are utilizing should work rather well and has the best balance of weight, cost, flow, and sound deadening. For stock that is. I'll probably utilize a similar design when I upgrade my exhaust, it will just be full stainless with a single high-flow cat and a less sound reducing resonator. I like to have a little of that sound audible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meier motor sports Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 [quote name='BernardP']Anybody here interested in paying for two catalytic converters? Clearly, the Legacy setup (including the non-turbo) is a good compromise.[/quote] what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irunfromcops Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 [quote name='meier motor sports'][quote name='BernardP']Anybody here interested in paying for two catalytic converters? Clearly, the Legacy setup (including the non-turbo) is a good compromise.[/quote] what?[/quote] if the exhuast split closer to the turbo (ie: before the cat) there would have to be 2 catalytic converters which are not cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonk Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 namely, the way the GT is designed is balanced out in terms of cost effectiveness, lightweight to minimizing unecessary piping, and making sure the lowest possible sound is coming out of the car. Keefe Keefe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver72 Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 No it's not a true dual exhaust. It's a single exhaust that splits into two. I'm not aware of ANY stock four bangers that use a true dual exhaust. To be truely dual it would have to come from the engine all the way back with it's own exhaust plumbing for each side of the engine. It's for show purposed on the LGT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBE555 Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 It is somewhat for show, but it's also to reduce sound and increase flow. Does it really matter if it's a TRUE dual-exhaust? Nope, not really. At least it doesn't have fake exhaust tips and such like I've seen on several vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBY Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 At least you can't see the split from behind, unlike the V6 Accord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zevil Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 I remember reading something way back when about how the GT's exhaust was specifically designed for maximizing torque. Now, there is a whole debate on whether or not turbo'd cars gain any torque benefits from back pressure. I don't intend to start this debate, but I do put some faith in Subaru engineers when it comes to these boxer engines. We will only really know once someone dyno's a prototype turboback, downpipe, or catback systems. It's a little early for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Always remember this: backpressure never increases torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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