turbodave Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 My mind is pretty much set on an 05 GT wagon (manual), and will be putting the deposit down in a few weeks. Something has been bugging me though - I drove a a Legacy 2.5i saloon (no wagons available), a WRX wagon, and a Legacy GT wagon - all manuals. I found the GT was a far superior performer than the WRX, certainly it felt like more than 23hp / 37lb ft, especially given the 200lb weight difference... Acceleration from rest was noticably better in the GT, but coming onto the interstate and gunning it, the GT felt massivly more potent, and was over the ton much sooner than the WRX was when given the same treatment... So, was it my imagination or is the GT slightly under-rated - or is the wrx over-rated? Just curious - I'm buying the GT anyway as the incresed towing weight is just what I need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexjapan Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Power under the curve - you have to look at the entire power curve to really see the difference between the cars. Peak power is just a small part of the power band. The Legacy is making more torque than the smaller motored 2.0 from idle and on up. It may be only 23hp at peak, but it might be, say, 50hp at 3500rpm that separates them. It reminds me of tuning the JDM Legacy twin turbo's. I had a fujitsubo exhaust and a friend HKS. The HKS exhaust had more peak hp, but the fujitsubo exhaust yielded about 40 more hp under the peak, at the 3000rpm range. So despite the fact he had more peak power, I was pulling away from him everywhere else except a meager 3-400rpm band of power high in the revs. Cheers, Paul Hansen http://www.avoturboworld.com http://www.apexjapan.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rao Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Having had both there is a world of difference. There is no subsitute for 25% more displacement, just like Paul described. Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodave Posted December 27, 2004 Author Share Posted December 27, 2004 Cheers guys, so what times will these things pull on the 1/4 once the motor has freed up after a few miles? The way this one pulled it felt like a very low 14 would be pretty easy... On paper the engine is identical to the STi - is this the case? Basically, will i be able to find many more ponies from the motor with relative ease once i decide 250lb ft isn't enough? Just thinking out loud for the future!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidiq Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Low 14s, one person pulled a 13.9 once or twice, stock. Yes, it's the same as the STi motor. http://www.cobbtuning.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0032 Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Low 14s, one person pulled a 13.9 once or twice, stock. Yes, it's the same as the STi motor. www.cobbtuning.com I think he was running a boost controller at the time running higher than stock boost. We do have the same short block as the STi but I believe it end there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidiq Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 I think he was running a boost controller at the time running higher than stock boost. We do have the same short block as the STi but I believe it end there. Dunno if he was or not, can't remember. It was that Hodgee guy. Same heads as the STi as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XT6Wagon Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 From what I can tell the LGT has about 260 crank HP, a much wider powerband, and a closer ratio box. All will make it pull a WRX. Hard. Reflash, Unichip, acessport all will make for stupid huge midrange on one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Mine definitely has stupid huge midrange. It's also mad tight yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Monkey Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Mine definitely has stupid huge midrange. It's also mad tight yo. It's definately less peaky. m4dd fl4t t0rqu3 b4nd y0!1!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChruiSSer Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 The biggest difference, is the fact that the the wrx is a 2.0 whereas the GT is a 2.5 like the other guys said. The WRX is "advertised" as a faster car. The GT is faster by all means. The deal is though, with AWD and a turbo, it's mainly the driver. If you let the clutch out in 1st gear like your taking it easy, then go to WOT, the difference is night and day. The wrx starts to pull around 3500+rpm whereas the Legacy pulls from 2000+. Think about it though. Also, the block is the same as the STi's as well as the heads. If I'm correct, the headers are the same as well. The intake, intercooler, and turbo are the biggest differences from an STi to a LGT. I'm actually wondering if you could put those STi parts on a LGT and have them work. Some custom plumbing should be all it needs as well as a little tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Simpletons Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Top end is night and day. Aerodynamics play a big part too. 130 in the Legacy is easy-it glides. 130 in the Impreza's a little scary-you are definitely forcing the car there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I went to the subie dealership last nov after testing the new mustang, drove the WRX wasnt impressed, drove the LGT and bought it. No question LGT stomps the WRX, and is not far off the new pony either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandShark Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Cruisser, do a search on "Project Legacy is Complete" and you'll find a LGT owner that has already done the STi TMIC, Intake and turbo swap. I think he bought the JDM STi version. Yeah, the Legacy gives you lots of options. You can keep the sleeper looks while easily modding it to STi (or better) numbers. Check out Trey Cobb's posting on AP Stage 2 figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgsuby Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Just got my LGT four days ago. There is a huge difference in torque between the WRX (my prev. car) and the legacy. I went to the dealership just to test drive the legacy and ended up buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Digits Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Straight up - JM & crew - you'd confirm that the AP does not sacrifice that sweet bottom/low-end twist for peak numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XT6Wagon Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I would not replace the turbo, intercooler, and intake manfiold on the LGT unless you want to run a turbo that is a good bit larger than the stock VF series turbo. You should find every bit of 300+ WHP with intake, header ( w catless up-pipe), exhaust, and engine management. If you need a bit more a VF22's exhaust housing should bolt on and make a little more power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemani Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Legacy has way better gearing than the WRX for acceleration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REX2LGT Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Perhaps I just got a dud then... I feel that my 02wrx pulled harder than my LGT.. theres a road that I take where I often have to pass someone whos doing 30 mph.... dropping my WRX from 4th to 3rd felt like it pulls harder than my LGT doing the same maneuver.... my WRX felt faster 1 thru 3rd all the way around.... so I'm a bit surprised about what you guys are saying... now on the highway the LGT def. would smoke the WRX... also the powerband felt much longer in the wrx 1-3rd gears... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 well if your around 30mph try goin from 4th to 2nd then it'll pull...you can almost get to 60mph in 2nd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Jedimaster* Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think the reason your WRX felt like it was faster is that the suspension and short wheelbase tend to feel harsher- while this car just cushions you as you put the pedal down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Yeah I can second that..coming from an RX-7 where you felt everything and when you were going 60mph it felt like you were goin 60..In LGT due to lux tendancies, ride is soft and comfy so when I drive it, I look down at the speedo and Im like "Oh shit I didnt realize I was goin 80!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JessterCPA Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think the reason your WRX felt like it was faster is that the suspension and short wheelbase tend to feel harsher- while this car just cushions you as you put the pedal down. +1 My Jetta 1.8t "felt" faster. It was just more jittery & nervous at speed. The LGT just cruises & swallows speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REX2LGT Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 well it makes sense I guess.... I kinda liked the g's pushing me back in my seat in the WRX.... from a 0-(whatever) launch I used to be able to make my girlfriend head spin....LMAO just thinking about it... she used to grab the "oh shit" handle and she'd get all dizzy and start screaming.... stop! stop!..damn that was funny... I havent tried in the LGT yet. I havnt even tried a serious launch.... guess I'll have to take her for a ride this weekend to see what happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deimos Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Launch from around 4000+rpm and youll get that lovely face-sucking rubberband effect...gotta love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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