rao Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I have been reading on this forum for over 6 years how the Subaru Legacy GT is the King of Cars and is the best car ever made or ever to be made. It is faster than any Porsche and better then a Lamborghini. It is also light years ahead of stupid American cars like the Mustang and Corvette, which are overweight pigs with outdated technology that stand no chance against a Legacy, ESPECIALLY on a road course which everyone knows is where the only real kind of racing takes place. Imagine my surprise when I read the current issue of Car and Drive which included their annual Lighting Lap, which is a comparison of various cars on a 4 mile road course. Now we all know that the STI is a very special addition with lots of magical parts that s optimized for track performance, even more so than the Legacy Gt so what would the LEgacy do? Here are some of the results: Impreza WRX - 3:16.5 STI -3:13.8 Hyundai Genesis turbo - 3:13.8 Ford Mustang V-6 - 3:12.5 Ford Mustang GT - 3:08.6 Cadillac CTS-V coupe (which weighs over TWO TONS!!!) - 3:04.0 Porsche Boxster Spyder - 3:03.8 Corvette Z06 - 2:53.5 How is it that a Ford Mustang with a V6 is faster at on a road course than a WRX or a STI Also, how can the Cadillac, which is a fat pig of a car that only has ONE camshaft and that isn't even an overhead one How can one explain the Z06's time being OVER 20 SECONDS faster than a STI's around the same track? Dsicuss..... Rob IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR YOU SHOULD NEVER DRIVE IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilT Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 It's obvious................. The report is totally biased against Subaru, and any foreign car to be exact. Where is the true King of Cars in that list ? The Mighty GTR ! ps Hyundai must have bribed their way onto the list, and the editors wife has a Boxster Spider and if that wasn't on the list then no nookie for him Double Award Winning Legacy GT Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chutrain Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Torque. You also have to realize that those American cars have come a long way. One of the car mags did a comparo with the 5.0 Mustang against an E92 M3 and it managed to be few ticks quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 They forgot to use Tommi Mäkinen as a driver. However - what about factors like tires? Did they drive all the cars the same day at roughly the same time otherwise the weather and track temperature will be a factor. And a road track - it all depends on the layout of the track. It does seem to me that the track they used was beneficial for cars with a lot of horsepower. On another track the results may be the other way around. It would be really interesting to see what the results would be on a track with mixed surfaces, which would be more like the real world. But I doubt that the car manufacturers would like to provide cars then - the risk of a repaint would be a bit too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Pretty sure the LGT would run in the mid 2's It would be really interesting to see all the lap times with cars provided the same tire or at least the same TW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanboy Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Meh, Subarus really aren't good dedicated track cars. Great DD, and great cars if you want to carry kids, go to work in snow, and then autocross all same week for a reasonable price...but not good for dedicated track cars, even the STI. Times have improved for the Subarus over the years, but not as much as the competition has. Oh wait, rao is the OP? Definitely oil-related. I bet the Subarus used in the test didn't have the Subaru synthetic oil running through them. Ayup, that's definitely the reason. And for all the WRX fans, they can't use the RE92 excuse anymore either, since the WRX comes with summer tires now. -B http://www.standardshift.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KartRacerBoy Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 The explanation is simple; never let the facts stand in the way of a good theory. Any criminal defense lawyer knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoozeRS05 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Geez, tell us how you really feel.. EB's Subaru journal - 2005 LegacyGT Wagon & 2014 Forester FB25 (2008 specB - RIP) IG@legacygtliving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1anatic Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hold on Rob. Which LGT are we talking about ? The King of Cars or the Whale of a Car ? The Model Year obviously makes a difference :-)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_sharp Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 American auto manufacturers need all they can get to improve sales, company moral, and the public's opinion of them. A review in a car magazine that says a V6 Mustang is faster than an STi around a track is obviously skewed. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I have been reading on this forum for over 6 years how the Subaru Legacy GT is the King of Cars and is the best car ever made or ever to be made. It is faster than any Porsche and better then a Lamborghini. It is also light years ahead of stupid American cars like the Mustang and Corvette, which are overweight pigs with outdated technology that stand no chance against a Legacy, ESPECIALLY on a road course which everyone knows is where the only real kind of racing takes place. Imagine my surprise when I read the current issue of Car and Drive which included their annual Lighting Lap, which is a comparison of various cars on a 4 mile road course. Now we all know that the STI is a very special addition with lots of magical parts that s optimized for track performance, even more so than the Legacy Gt so what would the LEgacy do? Maybe it's the drivers????? Here are some of the results: Impreza WRX - 3:16.5 STI -3:13.8 Hyundai Genesis turbo - 3:13.8 Ford Mustang V-6 - 3:12.5 Ford Mustang GT - 3:08.6 Cadillac CTS-V coupe (which weighs over TWO TONS!!!) - 3:04.0 Porsche Boxster Spyder - 3:03.8 Corvette Z06 - 2:53.5 How is it that a Ford Mustang with a V6 is faster at on a road course than a WRX or a STI Also, how can the Cadillac, which is a fat pig of a car that only has ONE camshaft and that isn't even an overhead one How can one explain the Z06's time being OVER 20 SECONDS faster than a STI's around the same track? Dsicuss..... "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 That's all well and good, but how could any of those cars fare against the Spec.B in the snow? Clearly the WRX and STI weren't using a proper oil... The Crimson Dynamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRSCobra Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 This makes me feel a little bit better. Not totally "stock" but still... http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q2/2011_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti_sets_nuerburgring_lap_record-feature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutbackXT05 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 When I looked over the car and driver I laughed pretty hard when I saw the times. BTW the Z06 pretty much raped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTATV Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 LGT and STi arent that fast stock. what makes them great cars is the bang for your buck you get out of modifications on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 LGT and STi arent that fast stock. what makes them great cars is the bang for your buck you get out of modifications on them It'd be interesting to set a budget equal to the most expensive car in the group, modify the others to use up that budget, and run the test again. I still don't think the Subarus would win, but I do think they'd close the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehsnils Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 And then run the test on different courses and different seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 It'd be interesting to set a budget equal to the most expensive car in the group, modify the others to use up that budget, and run the test again. I still don't think the Subarus would win, but I do think they'd close the gap. Spend the same amount of money in aftermarket parts on an EVO and an STi and watch the STi get buried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolksey85 Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Spend the same amount of money in aftermarket parts on an EVO and an STi and watch the STi get buried. ^^^I'm afraid he's right. That 4G63 just boost and responds like no other to mods. It's essentially the small block Chevy (or even worse, the LS1) of the import world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Huh. I guess I should I have mentioned that I still don't think Subaru would win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I have been reading on this forum for over 6 years how the Subaru Legacy GT is the King of Cars and is the best car ever made or ever to be made. It is faster than any Porsche and better then a Lamborghini. It is also light years ahead of stupid American cars like the Mustang and Corvette, which are overweight pigs with outdated technology that stand no chance against a Legacy, ESPECIALLY on a road course which everyone knows is where the only real kind of racing takes place. Imagine my surprise when I read the current issue of Car and Drive which included their annual Lighting Lap, which is a comparison of various cars on a 4 mile road course. Now we all know that the STI is a very special addition with lots of magical parts that s optimized for track performance, even more so than the Legacy Gt so what would the LEgacy do? Here are some of the results: Impreza WRX - 3:16.5 STI -3:13.8 Hyundai Genesis turbo - 3:13.8 Ford Mustang V-6 - 3:12.5 Ford Mustang GT - 3:08.6 Cadillac CTS-V coupe (which weighs over TWO TONS!!!) - 3:04.0 Porsche Boxster Spyder - 3:03.8 Corvette Z06 - 2:53.5 How is it that a Ford Mustang with a V6 is faster at on a road course than a WRX or a STI Also, how can the Cadillac, which is a fat pig of a car that only has ONE camshaft and that isn't even an overhead one How can one explain the Z06's time being OVER 20 SECONDS faster than a STI's around the same track? Dsicuss..... Clearly you are just not smart enough to understand the superiority of Symmetrical All Wheel Drive coupled with a boxer engine in all situations. The LGT is a wonderful performance sedan, really a de-tuned race car, and the STI is a race car. My guess is that the testers at Car and Driver are hacks that don't know how to drive, plus they are biased, plus they take bribe money from BMW, plus they just don't understand the Laws of Spec B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Huh. I guess I should I have mentioned that I still don't think Subaru would win. You thought that needed to be made clear? (clearly they wouldn't WIN, merely that they would be faster than they were) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecBGuy Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 off topic: CTATV nice avatar. On the subject I also do think car and driver magazine and motortrend gets paid to advertise and praise some cars. They surely do make domestic cars look great and they love BMWs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoplightAssassin Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Too bad they didn't have a Boss 302 in the test. I dig em. Did I just say I like a Mustang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlsb Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Clearly you are just not smart enough to understand the superiority of Symmetrical All Wheel Drive coupled with a boxer engine in all situations. The LGT is a wonderful performance sedan, really a de-tuned race car, and the STI is a race car. My guess is that the testers at Car and Driver are hacks that don't know how to drive, plus they are biased, plus they take bribe money from BMW, plus they just don't understand the Laws of Spec B. Well, there you go! Spot on again:lol: C&D did the same sort of crap in the sixties when they did a head to head (at Daytona, of a Ferrari GTO versus a Pontiac GTO. The Pontiac won, the "purists" were aghast, and were sure it was a bag job. "Belief does not make truth. Evidence makes truth. And belief does not make evidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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