rexster Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 These look like they could be a good option to get some more caster and camber and a more sold mount as well. I'm hoping they will work with bilstiens without raising the front... http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gd-suspension-handling-stiffening/162922-new-whiteline-com-c-upper-strut-mounts.html After closer inspection it looks like they probably don't make them for the bl/bp. The pdf from global performance says 1989-2007 Liberty/Legacy but the product page doesn't list the bl/bp... http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_detail.php?part_number=KCA335&page=2 ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naimouasta Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 +1 i'm interested as well! the factory ones are like jello! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naimouasta Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 o yea, are these kyb or bilstein styled tophats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness of Death Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 http://www.tougetuning.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=22_23_50_97&products_id=494 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitelineJim Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 G'day everyone, Just thought I'd pop in quickly and answer the questions. rexster, the KCA335 is designed around stock fitment dimensions so it should work with anything that the stock mounts work with. As for raising the front, just need to be mindful that any new replacement strut top will have the affect of raising the height when compared with a "used" or sagged original mount but this should be minimal unless the original is totally shagged. The Whiteline solution does however use a heavier durometer rubber (some have compared with the Group N) than stock to sharpen things a little. This also helps with a tighter integration between static and dynamic alignment settings, particularly useful when adding extra camber or positive caster and making sure it stays there. As for fitting BL/BP series let me check with the development guys and come back to you. naimouasta, not sure I understand the question about "top hat style". Let me know and I'll try to answer. Cheers Whiteline Jim PS. The actual dimension change and tech details are quoted here http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_detail.php?part_number=KCA335&page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naimouasta Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 After closer inspection it looks like they probably don't make them for the bl/bp. The pdf from global performance says 1989-2007 Liberty/Legacy but the product page doesn't list the bl/bp... first time i saw these was on fredbeans website. it was listed for the BL/BP also. maybe these might work? i think jdm and other market BL/BP's use the bilstein's which is maybe why its not listed in the product page. so unless you have a specb, these should work? just a guess, hope we can get confirmation soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitelineJim Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 G’day everyone, Sorry for delay in getting back to you but unfortunately its not good news. The PCD for the BL and BP is different to the earlier version and is part of the changeover to a revised platform overall as seen by the MY08 Impreza. As for top hat style with other brand shocks, its very rare that these options involve changes to actual stock mounts as its easier to adapt the optional component to the stock mounting. That is, another brand shock mount is more than likely going to still fit the stock strut body mount and vice versa. Am now putting the squeeze on the development guys as to when we might see a solution for the BL\BP. Cheers Whiteline Jim www.whiteline.com.au Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naimouasta Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjoe Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Keep us informed on any updates. I've been looking for ways to increase the negative camber without swapping to full camber plates (NVH from the roads I drive on from home to work would drive me insane and probably shake the car apart) or using aftermarket camber bolts (which I have installed but plan on swapping back to the OEM bolts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexster Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 G’day everyone, Sorry for delay in getting back to you but unfortunately its not good news. The PCD for the BL and BP is different to the earlier version and is part of the changeover to a revised platform overall as seen by the MY08 Impreza. As for top hat style with other brand shocks, its very rare that these options involve changes to actual stock mounts as its easier to adapt the optional component to the stock mounting. That is, another brand shock mount is more than likely going to still fit the stock strut body mount and vice versa. Am now putting the squeeze on the development guys as to when we might see a solution for the BLBP. Cheers Whiteline Jim www.whiteline.com.au Thanks Jim. In the USA, the Legacy GT (2005+) comes with KYB shocks. The (much lower sales volume) Spec B sold here in the USA comes with Bilstien shocks. The Bilstiens use a better (thicker) front mount and as a result they also use slightly shorter springs up front. So keep in mind if you design them to work with Bilstiens they may not work with the regular Legacy GT sold here in the states, or they might raise the front if they are thicker than the stock mounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitelineJim Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 G’day everyone, Thanks rexster, that’s interesting feedback and will pass on to the product development guys. I think the PCD should be common to both variants but I suspect the thicker version was used to deliver more compliance in the rubber to offset the mono-tube damper “nose” effect. That is, the wheel first needs to overcome the slight pressure increase in the gas chamber before the actual piston starts moving in the cylinder leading to a jiggly ride. Either way, I reckon it’s a good chance it will probably work but will lower the car slightly. Either way, need to check. Slimjoe, we sure will. In fact I’m told that its a priority for 2010. You’re spot on in your summary too. We developed this product to deliver a good deal of the benefits of adjustable strut tops without the downsides. Thanks all for your support. Cheers Whiteline Jim www.whiteline.com.au Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
04GTLIB Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Funny story with these. I was looking into these around June last year on the Aussie Whiteline website and they listed the KCA335 as a direct replacements for the standard strut tops on the BL, BP Legacy. Bought a set, went to get them fitted and found out to my utter disappointment they were the wrong style and wouldn't fit. Spoke to Whiteline, they immediately changed the info on the website and gave me a full refund. I eventually ended up buying and fitting a set of adjustable bearing plate ones (K-Mac) but I'm finding them a little too hard/harsh for my liking. So long story short, I can't wait for Whiteline to bring these out to suit the BL, BP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Anyone know if the Australian market BL/BP cars came with two different types of top-hat like the USDM cars, or if they all have the Bilstein aka JDM style? Regardless, here's a bump for an update... The Fred Beans site lists these as being available for BL/BP cars, is that because they're now available, or is that because FBP didn't get the memo? Whiteline Jim, are you subscribed to this thread? Any news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Guys, it's not a major deal if the top hats are made for the Bilsteins. You need a $1.25 washer from Lowes to compensate for it. Same as what you would do if putting on the Group N tops. -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 I've got Bilstein-style struts and hats now. (Tokico struts, spec B hats) If these are KYB-style hats, do I need to remove a $1.25-washer's worth of material from the bearing? Someone wrote a while back that the top nut barely engages and they didn't feel safe running that combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 If they are KYB style hats, then it wouldn't work, but my guess is they are the Group N style. -mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSFW Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 There's a third style of Legacy top hat? How does it differ from the other two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
04GTLIB Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 The difference in the set I sourced from Whiteline here Australia was in the PCD.Whoever your getting these from just check the PCD to see if it compatible. Cheers,Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitelineJim Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 G’day everyone, Thanks for the positive feedback. NSFW, have asked our tech and product guys on an update, I'd love to be able to offer a COM-C for this application. Hope to get a positive reply. Rusty, I think you're right in that its more about PCD as we design our part to replace OEM or variants of OEM so should be OK. Hope to come back to you soon. Cheers Whiteline Jim jim@whiteline.com.au Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naimouasta Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 updates? also it would be nice for me if it lowered like 3/8in LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr20t Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Just a bump guys these are now available from whiteline in Australia for all bl/Bp liberty (legacy) variants I just ordered a set for my kw v2's Part number is KCA409 Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naimouasta Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 awesome. are these designed similar to the specb/groupn mounts or similar to the usdm mounts because there will be a difference in ride height depending on springs? i'm was assuming specb since whiteline is a world wide vendor, however it looks like the part is shared with the impreza. just wondering how the impreza mount differs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naimouasta Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 according to opposedforces.com: regular legacy --> 20320AG00A specb --> 20320AG000 08+ wrx --> 20320FG000 08+ sti --> 20320FG010 so i'm assuming 08+wrx is the same or similar to the specb? can someone confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 It's not. '08 WRX is same geometry as '08~ STi but softer rubber. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr20t Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Yes correct they replace non bilstein struts. They will physically fit over bilsteins but may drop the ride height slightly I will be fitting these to my kw variant 2's so no issue with height etc Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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