trepetti Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I just got the bad news that my 09 LGT threw a rod bearing :-( I have been hearing stories of engines that have been destroyed because of a crack in the oil pickup tube causing massive, instant, catastrophic oil starvation. Has anyone had this happen to them? Has Subaru stepped up and made the repair? If this is a chronic issue, I might try to make a formal (possibly legal) complaint. I would be interested to see if this is really a widespread issue. Let me know your experience. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Wide-spread enough that there is a very successful aftermarket alternative. The Crimson Dynamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted February 22, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2013 More than one alternative... "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaSprinter24 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 this caught my eye and just wondering if this pickup tube in the oil pan or is it somewere else? and also wat is the alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBGRIZZLY64 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 this caught my eye and just wondering if this pickup tube in the oil pan or is it somewere else? and also wat is the alternative? Yessir in the oil pan or sits in the oil pan but not attached to it Priorities change when car parts come into the equation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Found a crack in the LGT pickup before it was catastrophic. Replaced the OBXT long before waiting for it to crack based on the LGT experience. http://www.infamousperformance.net/servlet/the-82/Killer-B-Subaru-Oil/Detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZP Installs Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 We've had great luck with the Killer-B oil pickups. That's why we are an authorized dealer and installer of their products now! -Mike Paisan http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/91072632.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/145749898/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/paisan/image/133406601.jpg http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/logos/perf1.jpg 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 No problem with mine, but will be switching to Killer-B oil pickup. When I replace the OEM oil pan do to rust blisters. Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaSprinter24 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 so for someone lik me who has just over 50k on his lgt would it be a smart idea to go ahead and change this? sucks theres no way of telling if its a problem or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) You can install a oil pressure gauge. To see if you are in spec. when you're at opt. temp. If your pressure is good, I wouldn't worry about it. Just keep an eye on the oil pressure. Other then that you have to drop the pan & inspect. If you go that far. Mite as well replace it with a part that doesn't have a history of failing. Or just replace it for your piece of mind, like LosAngelesLGT did with his OBXT, that his wife drives. Mike Edited March 3, 2013 by HAMMER DOWN Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 This falls under the mis-matched tires will make your tranny explode category. Plenty of people have heard of this, very few have seen it first hand. I have seen about 8 Killer-B parts with failed welds. I have never seen a failed OEM pickup tube. I take about 1 motor apart a week for the last several years. My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I 99.99% agree or differ to Mwiener2's knowledge base but in this instance my experience is cracked LGT pickup at 55k. Replaced OBXT @ 55k just to be sure. Obviously experience may vary. I would be very interested in more information about KB parts failures. I know KB pickups are highly respected in the flight community that is using subaru/fuji motors in their light aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) I've seen (and can probably dig up pics) of a KIller-B baffle plate completely fail and let a 2" x 6" piece of metal fall into the oil pan. The 7 or so Killer-B oil pans I've seen the inside of usually have at least one failed weld. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=539448412741097&set=pb.110309238988352.-2207520000.1362364631&type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=539448586074413&set=pb.110309238988352.-2207520000.1362364631&type=3&theater My theory is that most OEM pickup tubes are broken when the oil pan is removed. Among the professional engine builders I know and work with, a broken pickup tube is a rare occurrence. It does happen, but not as much as the internet and KillerB want you to think. Edited March 4, 2013 by mwiener2 My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaSprinter24 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 ok so if I have a oil pressure gauge and keep a keen eye on it ill be ok until it goes. I have the gauge wired up and the sandwhich plate sitting in my garage ready for install just waitin to change my oil to throw the plate on. hope that doesn't leak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blongo804 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Interesting thoughts, mwiener. Personally, I love my KillerB. If it fails, then it fails I guess. We had the engine out already and wanted to hopefully do everything right the first time around. The tube seems less likely to fail than the wimpy looking stock pickup, but we'll see I guess. I think there's about 20-25k on the new engine as I type. PaSprinter.. The oil pressure gauge will tell you only right now if you're pressure is good. If something were to happen to the pickup tube, once it happens, the engine will go with it. Oil pressure gauges, IMO, are only good for so much with these cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted March 4, 2013 Moderators Share Posted March 4, 2013 I've personally seen an oil pick up tube failure--buddy got lucky and installed a killerb pickup and upon inspection of the stock piece a pretty good crack was just starting to form. I agree that it's not very common, but if you invest a ton in a motor or have a low mileage motor already and plan to keep it within reasonable power levels so as not to require a build, then why not? "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 What do you mean why not? Review Mwiener's posts and pics. There is obviously more to think about I have seen about 8 Killer-B parts with failed welds. I have never seen a failed OEM pickup tube. I take about 1 motor apart a week for the last several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BarManBean Posted March 4, 2013 Moderators Share Posted March 4, 2013 What do you mean why not? Review Mwiener's posts and pics. There is obviously more to think about Are you arguing both sides here? I'm confused. I haven't heard of killer b pick up tubes failing. "Bullet-proof" your OEM TMIC! <<Buy your kit here>> Not currently in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesLGT Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Nothing to be confused about. Was sold on KillerB and a friend who has literally built many, many motors is informing me not to drink the kool-aid without some consideration. I'll certainly be interested in the inspection of the KillerB gear in my car when time comes to build my motor. Till then I will consider being less aggressive about pushing noobs to install them to prevent pickup failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER DOWN Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 mwiener2 hasn't said anything about Killer-B oil pickup failure, just oil pan & Killer-B baffle plat. Mike Mileage:331487 Retired/Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiener2 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Have not seen a failed KillerB oil pickup.... but I bet the same guys welds em all My Mods List (Updated 8/22/17) 2005 Outback FMT Running on Electrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I Donated bucko3the7man Posted March 5, 2013 I Donated Share Posted March 5, 2013 Someone on nasioc is selling a pickup, windage tray and oil pan from killer b. They want 200 for the pickup/tray brand new and I'm not sure if I want it at the moment. Got more important things for my wallet to think about at the moment but go for it if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xt2005bonbon Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 To answer OP's question, it happened to this guy as well on this thread: ----> http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/interesting-oil-light-behavior-during-startup-196061.html?highlight=oil+light This was fairly recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahr_side Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I know of two OEM pickups that failed, both on '06s. One destroyed the motor, the other owner was lucky and caught his in time. Easy to see they were both overheated during brazing. Obligatory '[URL="http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2008-gh8-238668.html?t=238668"]build thread[/URL]' Increased capacity to 2.7 liters, still turbo, but no longer need spark plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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